Afrihost Problem?? Cannot get into website -REGION DOES NOT ALLOW YOU ACCESS

I am with MWeb and have no issue - I am just raising a point which is completely ignored by Afrihost (or at least they choose not to communicate this properly) and affecting many of their users. At least for what it's worth, Maxmind is refreshing and updating the GeoIP DB based on a ticket we logged this morning. Can't really be that difficult - or?

I would be as simple as: "Hey, we screwed up, didn't check and confirm with GeoIP service providers that they refresh their location data - sorry about it, but we will do X, Y and Z to resolve it by XXXX". Since Saturday the lack of any response just leaves a very unprofessional impression (and yes, this issue might not affect some of you on this forum, but it certainly affects a large enough user base on my part to raise the issue).

Dude, you're not even an Afrihost client - not very transparent!! ;)

Data was submitted to MaxMind and many other services, it was up to them to update their info. Your posts specifically were replied to, so I'm not getting the lack of response part. But just in case, I'll say what I say in all the threads relating Afrihost (this is an AFRIHOST thread, right?) if you send me a PM, you are guaranteed an answer.

Use / Don't Use :)
 
Dude, you're not even an Afrihost client - not very transparent!! ;)

Data was submitted to MaxMind and many other services, it was up to them to update their info

Not quite the case - I am sitting with several hundred Afrihost customers not being able to access our services. Contacting your support team is useless as they have absolutely no clue what is going on. And just to assume that location service providers would update the info is one of the biggest mistakes. BTW: When your call-centre agent tells us "it's not working because of the hurricane" - that's when I pretty much give up.
 
MagicDude - Maxmind is paid service right? So is it not their job to make sure the data they supply is accurate ? Some of my clients is also affected by it, but they understand that it is the company that supply them the GeoIp service that have outdated information.

We also have services that use GeoIP services for the visitors and just fixed most of it ourselves.

Maxmind and other location service providers periodically pull information from Afrinic. In MTN's / Afrihost's case I would think that the information was not properly submitted to Afrinic (or was wrong or was submitted late) - who knows? That's pretty much my gripe (since it affects my customers) - mistakes happen, but the only thing Afrihost should have done is to communicate this better. After all the issues started arising since Friday and first all companies other than Afrihost was blamed. Neither Afrihost or MTN stepped up and provided any further specifics (other than some FB post late yesterday saying "a workaround was implemented").

Anycase, problem solved and agreed - this is not a support forum, but one should have expected to communicate across as many channels as possible. @Afriman - it does not matter if I am or was an Afrihost client - your execs are very well aware why I wouldn't do business with your company - for exactly these specific reasons and the level of customer service provided (ask anyone having had issues with your hosting at IS - it's a finger-pointing exercise deluxe).
 
Maxmind and other location service providers periodically pull information from Afrinic. In MTN's / Afrihost's case I would think that the information was not properly submitted to Afrinic (or was wrong or was submitted late) - who knows? That's pretty much my gripe (since it affects my customers) - mistakes happen, but the only thing Afrihost should have done is to communicate this better. After all the issues started arising since Friday and first all companies other than Afrihost was blamed. Neither Afrihost or MTN stepped up and provided any further specifics (other than some FB post late yesterday saying "a workaround was implemented").

Anycase, problem solved and agreed - this is not a support forum, but one should have expected to communicate across as many channels as possible. @Afriman - it does not matter if I am or was an Afrihost client - your execs are very well aware why I wouldn't do business with your company - for exactly these specific reasons and the level of customer service provided (ask anyone having had issues with your hosting at IS - it's a finger-pointing exercise deluxe).

You really don't know the specifics of the issue, or how we resolved it and this is a lot of guesswork. Since you also seem to have long standing issues with Afrihost, that seems to make sense now. I don't think it's fair to throw around some of the accusations you have made without directly engaging us, if you are doing so as an outside commentator. You are always welcome to PM to discuss and get specifics, but using phrases like "shoddy planning" and "lack of transparency" - I can't say that I approve. We have a dedicated team who have taken a brand new network and delivered a high end product in a very short time. So much so that we are being measured against networks that have been in existence for several years.

Just seems to be professional courtesy, since you represent your business as well.

Use / Don't Use :)
 
You really don't know the specifics of the issue, or how we resolved it and this is a lot of guesswork. Since you also seem to have long standing issues with Afrihost, that seems to make sense now. I don't think it's fair to throw around some of the accusations you have made without directly engaging us, if you are doing so as an outside commentator. You are always welcome to PM to discuss and get specifics, but using phrases like "shoddy planning" and "lack of transparency" - I can't say that I approve. We have a dedicated team who have taken a brand new network and delivered a high end product in a very short time. So much so that we are being measured against networks that have been in existence for several years.

Just seems to be professional courtesy, since you represent your business as well.

Sent you a PM. I think it is unnecessary to bring out the dirty laundry, your executive team is very well aware of the various issues over the last 6 months (and this issue is a deja-vue of what happened in June). In any case, I can't certainly easily brush off that 4,500 customers had been affected for the last few days - but perhaps than other people are just not as passionate about their business and customers.
 
Sent you a PM. I think it is unnecessary to bring out the dirty laundry, your executive team is very well aware of the various issues over the last 6 months (and this issue is a deja-vue of what happened in June). In any case, I can't certainly easily brush off that 4,500 customers had been affected for the last few days - but perhaps than other people are just not as passionate about their business and customers.

Mate, you've create a pissing war with very little indication of what you'd like to change here (except the laws of physics). Let's look at this for a bit, you piss on Afrihost and MTN for not doing something... not caring really if that was true or not, might I ask what you want them to do? Do a rain-dance that can turn back the sands of time so they can fix the supposed screwup? Well, sure, but I don't think they know that dance, care to teach us oh mighty one?

Furthermore, let me use a stupid example (sure, you can call me stupid afterward, go for it)... so I update my website... and go to google.com... oh my god!!!! They haven't ****ing updated the ****ing search cache these mother ****ers are so stupid. Why didn't my ISP tell google my site changed - such a massive oversight! Oh, wait... it's a few hours later and google updated it - THEMSELVES!!!! Wow, did I overreact there. Now... just to make things clear... google also took days, weeks, sometimes months to notice updates to sites. Then they got better. Perhaps GoLocations companies should start to get better. Here's my thing, you said you looked on AfriNic and it says it's owned by MTN... does your favorite GeoLocation company have internet? Can they perhaps also do these checks? Perhaps automatic, like? I mean, you are paying them for this, aren't you?

Then, your first post mentioned something about "any company trying to do security blah blah based on IP is now corked" - uhm... love... if you use IP address ONLY for fraud, perhaps that is why you're such a high strung individual. If you are a good developer and use a range of things, then for crying out loud, take out the IP check for the time being until the problem is resolved - sure keep harassing Afrihost about when, when, when... but seriously, wake up and do something that's in your control too! (apart from emailing a ticket to your GeoLocation company saying "hey I'm too lazy can you do this for me, cause btw afrihost sucks?"

And in closing, while you were wasting your own time, as well as forum readers' time - and mind I say probably afriman's time (granted it's his/her job) ... others like myself did this:

/** pseudo code following **/
if ($IPAddress like "105.236.*") {
stopBeingALittleBitzAndAllowTheClientToUseYourServiceCauseYouKnowItsSouthAfricaIP();
}

And now, naturally... I await your response, you're either going to say I'm stupid or something like that, which is cool 'cause I probably am and that's fine with me. I'm probably old enough to be your dad, and my teenagers told me I know nothing so bleh. Or, your probably going to re-direct your rage session as you've done during this thread each tome afriman or somebody else started to corner you.
 
@MagicDude4Eva, on an unrelated side-note though, that footer link for the BidOrBuy Whackhead Prank was freeking hillarious! :) Loved it, tx for sharing.
 
Mate, you've create a pissing war with very little indication of what you'd like to change here (except the laws of physics). Let's look at this for a bit, you piss on Afrihost and MTN for not doing something... not caring really if that was true or not, might I ask what you want them to do? Do a rain-dance that can turn back the sands of time so they can fix the supposed screwup? Well, sure, but I don't think they know that dance, care to teach us oh mighty one?

Okay, let's look at this: Your Google comparison is a bit off - I have a certain level of control on what Google indexes. I hint them with my content changes via sitemaps (and it will literally take 24 hours until new content is indexed). I have control of what content should/should not get indexed and Google adheres to this. Google for example knows that if I have a robots.txt exclusion or provide a certain HTTP-status code pages will be removed from the index. All quite simple.

Geolocation services such as MaxMind use regional internet registries (such as Afrinic, Ripe, Arin etc) as the primary source of a refresh and use secondary sources and then clean the data and provide updates. Since the network allocation of IP ranges does not change often, GeoIP services will refresh data once a month on IP-ranges (including city data etc). So it becomes very predictable that certain tasks need to be executed in order for my IP-range to become available to location based service providers. In simple terms I compare this to a similar exercise as updating your DNS records (and taking the time-to-live for propagation into account) before your website becomes visible to the world. Aspects/requirements which are not a foreign concept for anyone in the ISP industry (even more so if you work with networks and provide internet services to customers).

As I said before, I appreciate the fact that errors happen. Since MTN provides Afrihost with the core-service, and Afrihost sells this service as an ADSL product to their customers I would have expected that Afrihost provided better communication. As said, I exhausted the official channels and used this channel to perhaps get more clarity which did not surface. There would have been nothing wrong by communicating "Sorry, we forgot to do this in time or check up on it" - at least from the comments provided it appeared that something was done, but it was then ".... left for geo-location providers to pick up the data". I personally never liked the "not my problem" attitude and I think whoever was responsible should have stepped up and provided at least some clarity.

Your pseudo code example is nice, but grossly oversimplified. What you are missing in this equation (and things we had to "hack" as it affected 4,500 users in 3 days) is for example this:
- security appliances blocked an IP range whose origin (i.e. geo-location) we could not determine
- internal fraud mechanism flagged an unknown IP range (since we don't know it's origin, it is classified at the same grade as an anonymous proxy)
- payment fraud checks increased the risk profile of users (i.e. your card's BIN could not be matched to an unknown geo-location)
- acquires rejected payments for the same reason and fraud checks needed to be relaxed
- external fraud checks (velocity checks and credit card fraud mechanisms) failed
- location based services could not route traffic appropriately (so end-user experience turned poor - i.e. web-browser time dropped from 3.1 seconds to 4.7 seconds for a select user base)
- geo-targeted advertising campaigns (Google, Facebook and others) failed to deliver to that specific user group

So all in all plenty of headaches and bypasses we need to do in order to continue serving our customers safely and reliably. What I did explain to Afriman (and his executives months back in a similar issue) is that our business carries a huge social responsibility (a large number of our sellers are upstarting businesses, retirees or skilled people having been retrenched) and as such it is heartbreaking to try and help users unable to login (just because of a stupid IP-range not being in a database) and request their payout so that they can buy groceries for their families <--- NOW this is the real big picture and has everything to do with why I am so "high-strung" as you say I am (I am passionate about our business and perhaps care too much - but nothing wrong with that?)

Anycase, hopefully everyone got a bit wiser and perhaps communication will flow better in future and issues like that will be handled better in future.
 
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