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Afrihost Uncapped ADSL Feedback (Pt3)
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AthenianOwl
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Johnatan56
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Huh?
I was referring to this guy:
And I consider jpg and gifs as realtime traffic. You can also inspect a web pages source code to see what is on a page, allowing me to point out how many jpg there are on the page.
RogueTr00per
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@AfriMan, I made a mess up trying to change from 2mbps uncapped bundle to a 2mbps capped 50GB bundle.
How do I fix it, items are greyed out now and before, which is why i made the bungle.
How do I fix it, items are greyed out now and before, which is why i made the bungle.
I'd need to see some more information to see what the problem could be. If you were having similar issues with your alternate ISP account, I would think it could be line or exchange related
There is no way to define "minimal". That's based on his experience and priority. If what he's communicating is that shaping does not diminish his overall experience, then I would say that's a valid statement.
We shape from 7:30 to 10pm at a set value for all Uncapped users, thereafter we shape dynamically. That means many users are immediately unshaped, and some are shaped to a much lesser degree at 10:01pm and from there we dynamically unshaped based on realtime demand. Some users may take longer to be unshaped if they are classified as heavier users, and there is no set time for the entire network to be unshaped - it depends on demand.
Definitely not the case. My experience is that adding more and more capacity is not going to be sustainable. We reached a point where we would have had to increase prices in order to justify adding even more capacity, or look at ways to better manage what we have to deliver the best experience possible. If the growth in capacity was in line with growth in clients, that would be fine, but we're subsiding the upgrades which means it's then difficult for us to review pricing and offer other promos like Mystery Discounts.
Previously we saw demand and contention sullying user's overall experience on Uncapped, even affecting Real time services. We felt a better approach was to more actively manage shaping during the peak period, so that we could ensure a good realtime experience for Uncapped, and then allow a good window for heavier downloading or torrents.
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For instance my consumption is low but I would be willing to pay extra for network priority.
We're hoping to avoid a complex suite of products, especially that are heavily based on technical understanding of shaping and protocols. For the moment, we're of the mind that our Business and Uncapped offerings covers the broad spectrum.
If we were to look at an Uncapped product for the MyBB type user, how would you guys envision that it would work differently?
Simple easy to understand entry level accounts for those first coming to ADSL. Then power user accounts with many tiered options for business and MyBBers, with choice based on consumption (uncapped) and priority (capped).
saa044
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6am to 5pm heaviest shaping, 5pm to 12am light shaping, 12am to 6am unshaped. I think this should be fair and by light shaping I mean 50% HTTP and 30% P2P. After all it is not a business account.
I disagree with the %/% shaping on a static basis. It's far too draconian for typical internet use. Burst profiles in stead (which means allocating enough resources which would drive up the cost understandably unless you lower the burst floor transfer rate or take some traffic types out of the equation) Use a dynamic length burst window with a rule-based window length (less use means longer burst window, meaning that if you don't try and download the internet you get essentially the same performance as a capped user but allow for some shaping under peak load conditions)
Dynamic shaping only works well if there is sufficient resource allocation.
Dynamic shaping only works well if there is sufficient resource allocation.
Static % shaping is crap if you working from home the odd day or so.
Why not have something like the Business Optimisation for normal accounts, let it boost HTTP but disables all the other protocols.
The complaints here aren't from people because their torrents are slow, but because their normal browsing is affected.
Why not have something like the Business Optimisation for normal accounts, let it boost HTTP but disables all the other protocols.
The complaints here aren't from people because their torrents are slow, but because their normal browsing is affected.
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"The complaints here aren't from people because their torrents are slow, but because their normal browsing is affected"
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Sums it up perfectly
+1
Sums it up perfectly
Sinbad
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Shaping doesn't affect latency in any way
Not strictly true. Especially if you're measuring response times of large packets in quantity (eg, D3 traffic)....
I think we all want to see less shaping, but simply opening up the flood gates at 6pm will almost certainly contend the network to such an extent latency will spike and the overall experience will be horrible
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