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AMD launches Ryzen 7000 chips — Specifications and performance claims

AMD unveiled its highly-anticipated Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors on Monday, 29 August 2022.

The company said the launch ushered in the "next era of high performance for gamers, enthusiasts, and content creators" with "dominant" performance and "leadership" energy efficiency.
 
This is awesome news! For years I have been limited to Ryzen 5 (x400G) and then Ryzen 7 (x700G) because I refuse to use a graphics card. I mean seriously, graphics cards?! That is so 1994, amiright Tseng ET4000?.

Now finally I can go Ryzen 9 since all of them have iGPU. I hardly use all that the Vega 8 in my 5700G has to offer.
 
Rouxenator said:
This is awesome news! For years I have been limited to Ryzen 5 (x400G) and then Ryzen 7 (x700G) because I refuse to use a graphics card. I mean seriously, graphics cards?! That is so 1994, amiright Tseng ET4000?.

Now finally I can go Ryzen 9 since all of them have iGPU. I hardly use all that the Vega 8 in my 5700G has to offer.
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If you have no interest in PC gaming, why use Windows at all? Just get a Mac already.
 
Gtx Gaming said:
7900x calling my name!
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Wow. That's gonna be some outlay. New mobo, RAM and cooler. Judging by the pricing of the entry level B650 you'll need to have a serious sit-down with your bank manager. I mean who's gonna put that beast in anything other than the Extreme?
 
Bryn said:
If you have no interest in PC gaming, why use Windows at all? Just get a Mac already.
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There are lots more you can do with Windows than game on it - but I do get in an hour of Xonotic each day. That said, with the right tweaks you can even play that on a Raspberry Pi.

In all honesty I think graphics cars will be dead in the next decade. Soon as integrated graphics can do good frame rates at 8K it's over for graphics cards.
 
Rouxenator said:
There are lots more you can do with Windows than game on it - but I do get in an hour of Xonotic each day. That said, with the right tweaks you can even play that on a Raspberry Pi.

In all honesty I think graphics cars will be dead in the next decade. Soon as integrated graphics can do good frame rates at 8K it's over for graphics cards.
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Graphics cards are not going away.

Even Intel has decided to start making graphics cards. Don't confuse the recent shortage and price inflation with a lack of interest in graphics cards.

A modern gaming GPU is like a Lamborghini. An integrated GPU is like a scooter.
 
Rouxenator said:
There are lots more you can do with Windows than game on it - but I do get in an hour of Xonotic each day. That said, with the right tweaks you can even play that on a Raspberry Pi.

In all honesty I think graphics cars will be dead in the next decade. Soon as integrated graphics can do good frame rates at 8K it's over for graphics cards.
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I heartily disagree. Integrated graphics have been around for ages, and to this day you can't do much more than 1080p60 at reduced settings. That will of course improve but not at the pace you may think.

My opinion is that it's not so much technology as choice. AMD could have built much more powerful APU's by now, but thus far they chose not to. Why is that? One reason is that putting CPU and GPU together on the same piece of silicon increases your die size, and therefore manufacturing cost and complexity. If you want to keep to a specific footprint, that means adding silicon for a GPU limits the space you can allocate to the CPU. It also massively affects your power budget for mobile devices the more transistors you try and cram in. Therefore, integrated graphics will always require a compromise of some kind.

In contrast, the enthusiast PC market is very much a no-compromise playing field. If your goal is to achieve the maximum possible frame rates at the highest resolutions and refresh rates, you need hardware that can deliver on this, and that's where the PC with discrete components really shines. So as long as the enthusiast gamer market exists (and it shows no signs of slowing down), there will be a market for purpose-built components that can deliver maximum performance with no compromises.

Another factor is that all these lovely advancements we see in the gaming and graphics world such as real-time raytracing and direct storage will increasingly start showing up in games. Once developers fully embrace next gen tech and visuals, the requirements for achieving playable framerates will only go up, requiring more powerful hardware. This is a race that has been ongoing for as long as I can remember, and I don't think it will end any time soon.
 
Jan said:
AMD launches Ryzen 7000 chips — Specifications and performance claims

AMD unveiled its highly-anticipated Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors on Monday, 29 August 2022.

The company said the launch ushered in the "next era of high performance for gamers, enthusiasts, and content creators" with "dominant" performance and "leadership" energy efficiency.
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Keen to see SA pricing, but unfortunately it's going to be expensive to do a whole platform upgrade. DDR5 is still a bit pricey compared to DDR4. Decent quality motherboards will hopefully be somewhat affordable. I think $300US for the 7600X is a bit on the high side, but maybe prices will drop once Intel launches 13th gen.
Either way, I'm pretty keen on AM5 for my next upgrade; my trusty old B350 is 5 years old by now. Might just have to wait a bit longer for prices to come down or lower-cost CPU models to launch.
 
Fair points - but let's look back at things like network cards, sound cards, controller cards - heck even the northbridge which housed the memory controller. One by one these got integrated either onto the motherboard IO chip or into the CPU.

If you consider how far integrated graphics have come the past decade or more - I know since I made the switch in 2005 from a Radeon 9700 to a Radeon Xpress 200 - it is a long way and pretty impressive. Even if you don't look back, but look sideways at what Apple is doing as well as most handheld platforms - it is a sign of what is to come.

AMD is accelerating ray tracing on the CPU now - with good reason.

A decade from now integrated graphics will be perfectly capable of doing high framerates at 8K. The human eye cannot see more than 8K (like we hit the limit with 32bit colour and 192khz sound). By that time the need for a separate power guzzling card just for graphics will die out.

As for here and now, I am more than happy to give up my Ryzen 7 and it's Vega 8 graphics for Ryzen 9 and whatever RDNA graphics it has. I am sure it will get the job done while leaving me with plenty more computing power.
 
Rouxenator said:
Fair points - but let's look back at things like network cards, sound cards, controller cards - heck even the northbridge which housed the memory controller. One by one these got integrated either onto the motherboard IO chip or into the CPU.
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I agree, you don't need discrete components for things that perform fairly simple and well defined functions. But the workload / functionality required by said components in no way compares to what is required of a modern GPU. GPU design has only gone in one direction, and that is bigger, more complex, more transistors, and more features.
 
Herr_Koos said:
I agree, you don't need discrete components for things that perform fairly simple and well defined functions. But the workload / functionality required by said components in no way compares to what is required of a modern GPU. GPU design has only gone in one direction, and that is bigger, more complex, more transistors, and more features.
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The same can be said of all those components back in the day.
 
Rouxenator said:
A decade from now integrated graphics will be perfectly capable of doing high framerates at 8K. The human eye cannot see more than 8K (like we hit the limit with 32bit colour and 192khz sound).
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Heya! I'm in the same boat with your posts (I run integrated solely these days and Vega does a superb job with my older, emulated, and simpler modern titles) but I have to be that guy for a sec (sorry lol):

I'm not the biggest fan of 8K as it's only the most perceptible when viewing really close or if you have an extremely large display (compared to 1080/1440p => 2160p) so it taxes hardware unnecessarily for simpler tasks. Technically we can perceive 32K if possible, but only under conditions.
A high dynamic range bit depth for colour, absolutely.
For sound, we (literally) can't hear anything above 44.1khz, but I'm glad that 24bit audio is available for a wider dynamic ambience. The limit at this point is 2.82mhz, and debates of sonic frequency aside, it mostly exists for proper audio mixes to push releases on to. There's no real reason a redbook CD can't sound as nice, but they're mostly mastered for car stereos and AIO Hi-Fi's (except in Japan and old West Germany releases).

It's largely impressive how far humanity has pushed the envelope, but resolution and audio has been in snake oil territory for a bit :P

Oh and also, I look forward to the handhelds getting the new chips and RDNA the most! Pity they're not ARM / RISC-V but who knows what the future holds (like insane batteries negating the draw required etc.)
 
supersunbird said:
He must put a reminder for then, so he can come back here and tell us "Told you so"
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I have done that a few times actually. Back in 2007 I was a Nokia fan and people said "You like Nokia and Windows so much - pity the two shall never meet." Well that toldýa'so has come and gone already.
 
Nereus77 said:
Graphics cards are not going away.

Even Intel has decided to start making graphics cards. Don't confuse the recent shortage and price inflation with a lack of interest in graphics cards.

A modern gaming GPU is like a Lamborghini. An integrated GPU is like a scooter.
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Maybe the big players don't want them to go away, as it is still a great revenue stream. But if the Steam deck is showing us something, it is that you don't need a discreet GPU to game. Discreet is great for better FPS and high resolutions.
It will be in our favor if tech advances quicker, to a point where we don't need discreet graphic cards. But not in big tech companies favor.
 
KleinBoontjie said:
Maybe the big players don't want them to go away, as it is still a great revenue stream. But if the Steam deck is showing us something, it is that you don't need a discreet GPU to game. Discreet is great for better FPS and high resolutions.
It will be in our favor if tech advances quicker, to a point where we don't need discreet graphic cards. But not in big tech companies favor.
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Which big tech companies are you referring to? The ones that make the GPU's? They'll make money either way. Board partners that buy chips and turn them into discrete cards obviously have an interest in the continued existence of such cards. But the Playstation, XBox, Steam Deck and similar platforms still run on the same hardware as PC's and laptops, so AMD, nVidia, and Intel will continue to thrive even if discrete components disappear.
 
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