ANCYL taught a lesson...

[DigitalSoldier]

14 years is a short time, but at some point people will have to accept responsibility for their actions and stop blaming Apartheid.

Anyone remember how Schabir Shaik blamed apartheid ?

Arguing for a lesser sentence, Shaik moves that the trial court infringed his right to dignity by not taking into account the economic disadvantages faced by black people under apartheid.

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2007-05-22-schabir-shaiks-last-bid-for-freedom

And then there's the Khutsong township, schools have been burned down, and the youth in the township have not been to school in more than a year. The only reason for all this, they want their township to be part of Gauteng and not Northwest.

 

[JungleBoy]

I don't agree with the premise that we live that much of a better life due to Apartheid. Again, compare our position with that of our European counterparts and we're not doing any better than them. You don't just generate "opportunity" at will, otherwise Mugabe would have been able to wave his magic "opportunity wand" and everyone in his country would have been rich.

Apartheid was a system to keep blacks down, but it didn't help that much to lift whites up. It's the same as BEE now, while it helps keep white people down it doesn't lift up the average black person that much. There are a few people at the top who can really benefit from, in the case of BEE, huge empowerment deal, or in the case of apartheid, cheap labour for the mines.

• better education
• job reservations
• abundance of cheap labour

All of these did not help to uplift whites

 

[Albereth]

Had to LOL at them not having received the book.

 

[Nod]

There are white squatter camps:
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2308492,00.html

 

[Devill]

What were Julius' mother and father during the Apartheid years? A maid and garden boy? Yeah, sure they weren't[/haven't been] affected by Apartheid...

(No, I don't like the ANCYL).

Ja neh. The ignorance of some people is just sad.

Go and look at townships boet, and tell me they did not or continue to some extent to suffer from the policies of the past. I suggest you also join the ANCYL in getting some education.

Slow clap for these two statements......

There are now more starving people in SA then ever and Half of the "top-dogs" that today claim to have suffered under apartheid actually lived very well in other countries during apartheid....

No I do not want the old regime to EVER come back and no it will never be right, but ffs open your eyes. These ANCYL Baffoons will be the end of this country.

Yes a lot of people did suffer under the apartheid regime, at least then the majority of the population was clothed and fed.... The only thing that is happening now is Apartheid from the other side of the spectrum.

Also can you please tell me of one great thing that has happened because of the gouvernment since 1995?

 

[PostmanPot]

I don't agree with the premise that we live that much of a better life due to Apartheid. Again, compare our position with that of our European counterparts and we're not doing any better than them. You don't just generate "opportunity" at will, otherwise Mugabe would have been able to wave his magic "opportunity wand" and everyone in his country would have been rich.

We live much better off compared to the majority of blacks who were not afforded the "normal" opportunities you would expect in life that we were. Good tertiary education, corporate jobs etc., financial aid for people with business ideas... How many blacks had that during Apartheid? Certainly not many as they were educated to become maids, garden boys, mine workers etc. I cannot possibly see how any white can deny this.

Apartheid was a system to keep blacks down, but it didn't help that much to lift whites up. It's the same as BEE now, while it helps keep white people down it doesn't lift up the average black person that much. There are a few people at the top who can really benefit from, in the case of BEE, huge empowerment deal, or in the case of apartheid, cheap labour for the mines.

Doesn't matter if it didn't help much to lift whites up - the point is that Apartheid provided for 99% of whites to have a reasonably good quality of life. While I don't agree about everything that BEE entails, some form of it is necessary to provide opportunity to those who were denied it in the past. It is not the same as Apartheid though - don't be silly. Us whites are still very well off in general, preferred to employment etc. (Apartheid bias ).

 

[Kloofvreter]

What were Julius' mother and father during the Apartheid years? A maid and garden boy? Yeah, sure they weren't[/haven't been] affected by Apartheid...

(No, I don't like the ANCYL).

That's an obsolete argument. Two generations from now you could argue that his great great grandparents suffered? Bah!

 

[Kloofvreter]

Ja neh. The ignorance of some people is just sad.

Go and look at townships boet, and tell me they did not or continue to some extent to suffer from the policies of the past. I suggest you also join the ANCYL in getting some education.

The townships will continue to look the way they do, and even 100years from now it will be blamed on apartheid. It is not safe for me to take a leisurely stroll through Gugulethu, I promise you that. I wonder why...

 

[PostmanPot]

Slow clap for these two statements......

There are now more starving people in SA then ever and Half of the "top-dogs" that today claim to have suffered under apartheid actually lived very well in other countries during apartheid....

The only way for them not to have suffered, is if there was never any Apartheid. It's that simple. Suffering = being forced to live outside of your home country.

No I do not want the old regime to EVER come back and no it will never be right, but ffs open your eyes. These ANCYL Baffoons will be the end of this country.

I don't like them either, I'm not so sure that they'll be the end to SA though.

Yes a lot of people did suffer under the apartheid regime, at least then the majority of the population was clothed and fed.... The only thing that is happening now is Apartheid from the other side of the spectrum.

How ever you view AA/BEE, unfortunately it is necessary.

Also can you please tell me of one great thing that has happened because of the gouvernment since 1995?

Very few. I don't like them either.

 

[PostmanPot]

That's an obsolete argument. Two generations from now you could argue that his great great grandparents suffered? Bah!

Would he be lying though?

Hopefully AA/BEE will put an end to blaming Apartheid (in cases which you cannot blame it) sooner than that.

 

[Bismuth]

The point is that most of us whites live decent lives because Apartheid provided/[ensured] opportunity for whites.

Rubbish, I personally know a black doctor, he qualified in the 80s. Admittedly, he had to do it overseas, but he did it nonetheless. And it was in the UK, not Cuba, btw. The opportunity has always been there, why do you think so many white/skilled people are leaving, there are better opportunities for them overseas. What quite a few blacks did during the Apartheid years.

They had the opportunity, but not everyone took it.

B

 

[Devill]

How ever you view AA/BEE, unfortunately it is necessary.

BS. ROFL, I can see how skilled workers, (black,white,asian,coloured) leaving SA is good for us and necessary

The fact of the matter is giving ANY "advantage" to a person based on SKIN colour is stupid and will never work.

I can see how BEE/AA has helped this country, i mean just look at eskom, telkom, sasol, a couple of mines. The rich get richer and those poor Previously disadvantaged people are still only getting poorer..... That is what happens when you chuck out the skilled workers and give people without the skills the job.... Simply said it is a fvckup. Thus you are wrong it is not necessary, infact it is only a retard that will think it is actually going to work.

Maybe you should go read Afriforums suggestion

They think (and I agree) that the "BEE/AA" system should benefit people according to there income, not their skin colour.

As for Old Julius, a man that rather wants military training instead of an education will always be a war-monger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Malema

 

[PostmanPot]

Rubbish, I personally know a black doctor, he qualified in the 80s. Admittedly, he had to do it overseas, but he did it nonetheless. And it was in the UK, not Cuba, btw. The opportunity has always been there, why do you think so many white/skilled people are leaving, there are better opportunities for them overseas. What quite a few blacks did during the Apartheid years.

They had the opportunity, but not everyone took it.

B

One in a million? That must have taken some balls. I don't think I would have had those balls if I was looked upon the way advocates of Apartheid looked down on blacks, and with all those measures in place against them. Got to hand it to the guy for having the vision.

Blacks in the Apartheid era cannot be compared to our educated, relatively well-off whites who generally had good upbringings. These comparisons are amusing.

 

[PostmanPot]

The fact of the matter is giving ANY "advantage" to a person based on SKIN colour is stupid and will never work.

It's more skin-deep than just colour.

Regarding the rest of your post - I honestly don't know why you are offloading on me like that. I am not an advocate of AA/BEE.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

As for Old Julius, a man that rather wants military training instead of an education will always be a war-monger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Malema

His school career was undistinguished and he failed two high school grades.

Very surprising

 

[Devill]

It's more skin-deep than just colour.

Regarding the rest of your post - I honestly don't know why you are offloading on me like that. I am not an advocate of AA/BEE.

How ever you view AA/BEE, unfortunately it is necessary.

You were advocating it!! Or are those not your words?

Very surprising

LOL

 

[PostmanPot]

You were advocating it!! Or are those not your words?

I'm an advocate for some form of "remuneration" - lack of better words. Did you miss this?

Doesn't matter if it didn't help much to lift whites up - the point is that Apartheid provided for 99% of whites to have a reasonably good quality of life. While I don't agree about everything that BEE entails, some form of it is necessary to provide opportunity to those who were denied it in the past. It is not the same as Apartheid though - don't be silly. Us whites are still very well off in general, preferred to employment etc. (Apartheid bias ).

 

[Devill]

I'm an advocate for some form of "remuneration" - lack of better words. Did you miss this?

I might have

But then aducate the masses and then give the the high roller seats

Also taking pity on/defending an ape like Julius (who would have been an idiot even if he was the son of the Queen of England) makes me think you can not think straight and thus you also advocate BEE/AA

 

[km2]

We live much better off compared to the majority of blacks who were not afforded the "normal" opportunities you would expect in life that we were. Good tertiary education, corporate jobs etc., financial aid for people with business ideas... How many blacks had that during Apartheid? Certainly not many as they were educated to become maids, garden boys, mine workers etc. I cannot possibly see how any white can deny this.

Doesn't matter if it didn't help much to lift whites up - the point is that Apartheid provided for 99% of whites to have a reasonably good quality of life. While I don't agree about everything that BEE entails, some form of it is necessary to provide opportunity to those who were denied it in the past.

I'm not arguing with the reality that Blacks did not have many opportunities in the old South Africa, but I'm arguing with the direct cause and effect relationship that you're implying. I.e. Whites only had opportunities because they deprived them from black people. And that's an utter nonsense relationship because plenty of other countries managed to have opportunities without oppressing people, and plenty of other countries without oppression still have zero opportunities (a lot of them right here in Africa).

 

[dlk001]

The fact of the matter is giving ANY "advantage" to a person based on SKIN colour is stupid and will never work.

It has worked before and its continues to work!