Android is not winning...

There are some good points, mainly the fact that a lot of the phones are stuck on OS's that are 18+ months old, my SEX 10 Mini pro is on 2.1, there is no official upgrade path and Sony just said stuff it your not getting updates any longer so nanananana. Even though I've seen Gingerbread running fine on the same spec hardware sigh.
In away Apple does have it right.
 
:rolleyes: These jokers clearly do not read the various reports that come out every month that shows Android to be dominating the markets.

Why am I not surprised that Hilton Tarrant is behind this "article". What a clown.
 
Well one thing they forgot to mention.

Unlike Apple that add features with updates, most if not all of the features are on the old Android versions and the updates mostly address issues under the hood. 9 times out of 10 most tech people cant even tell you what changed between version, now you think end users are gonna know the difference even worse they going to care?

The Only reason ICS is making so much noise is because its the 1st real update that looks different but to be honest except for the looks it can do everything 2.3 does...
 
I never understood the whole 'why is my phone not getting 2.x/3.0! Can any not-in-the-know person tell the difference? I doubt it. The phone works well and exceeded your needs with version x, so how is 2.3.5.1.2.6 going to change your life?

Fanbois. Pfft.
 
Hilton Tarrant is a tech journalist that doesn't understand shyte about tech... and how has no phone got an upgrade path to ICS? Almost all manufacturers have come out with the official upgrade path for their phones that they will be sending on to ICS.

Secondly, and I have no idea why somebody doesn't do this? How many apps need more than android 2.1 to run?
I am willing to bet 80%+ apps run on 2.1 and something like 99% need 2.2 or above. So how exactly is that fragmented to the point of useless? Actually the only app I know of that requires 2.2+ is Skype and that is only for the SGS.

Hilton get your head our your arse bud, you are simply spewing **** every time your mouth opens.

If MyBB ever hires this idiot I will seriously wonder about RPM's intelligence. Every article the guys writes is riddled with inaccuracies. If you put him next to Jan it would be like putting an idiot next to Einstein.
 
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Shayd said:
Hilton Tarrant is a tech journalist that doesn't understand shyte about tech... and how has no phone got an upgrade path to ICS? Almost all manufacturers have come out with the official upgrade path for their phones that they will be sending on to ICS.

Secondly, and I have no idea why somebody doesn't do this? How many apps need more than android 2.1 to run?
I am willing to bet 80%+ apps run on 2.1 and something like 99% need 2.2 or above. So how exactly is that fragmented to the point of useless? Actually the only app I know of that requires 2.2+ is Skype and that is only for the SGS.

Hilton get your head our your arse bud, you are simply spewing **** every time your mouth opens.

If MyBB ever hires this idiot I will seriously wonder about RPM's intelligence. Jan makes mistakes but at least he is a real techie.
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That article is obviously just trying to stir things up. Yes, fragmentation is an issue, but that is the price of freedom in my opinion. And it is usually fairly easy to make an app that runs the last two year's worth of Android versions.

And since when is releasing an OS the same date that everybody has to upgrade. Yes, I am looking forward to ICS for my SGS2, but I prefer if Samsung takes their time to do it properly.
 
what about running the latest Layar on the iPhone 3gs? What about running Siri on the iPhone 4? As far as im concerned, iOS is more fragmented.
 
stricken said:
what about running the latest Layar on the iPhone 3gs? What about running Siri on the iPhone 4? As far as im concerned, iOS is more fragmented.
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Every device owner understands that obsolescence will eventually mean that not every app will run on every device. No iPhone 3G owner expects to run Infinity Blade II HD. That isn't fragmentation. Android fragmentation is the vast differentiation that happens during the same generation, with devices that concurrently run every conceivable blend and UI and have no idea when they buy a phone whether it will be compatible with a given app. When I got my SGS2 I couldn't believe that I was unable to play most of the graphically intensive games out there; given that it was the top tier device I took for granted that I wouldn't encounter compatibility issues. THAT is fragmentation.

These jokers clearly do not read the various reports that come out every month that shows Android to be dominating the markets.
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In pure numbers Android is dominating the market. In most other metrics it's quite far behind though; particularly in profitability.
 
cerebus said:
Every device owner understands that obsolescence will eventually mean that not every app will run on every device. No iPhone 3G owner expects to run Infinity Blade II HD. That isn't fragmentation. Android fragmentation is the vast differentiation that happens during the same generation, with devices that concurrently run every conceivable blend and UI and have no idea when they buy a phone whether it will be compatible with a given app. When I got my SGS2 I couldn't believe that I was unable to play most of the graphically intensive games out there; given that it was the top tier device I took for granted that I wouldn't encounter compatibility issues. THAT is fragmentation.



In pure numbers Android is dominating the market. In most other metrics it's quite far behind though; particularly in profitability.
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Eish, I'm afraid... My first post in an Android thread. cerebus is 100% correct as far as fragmentation goes, it really has nothing to do with not having Siri on the 4 or 3GS. From an Apple owner's perspective, whether you have a 3GS, 4 or 4S your IOS5 experience is pretty much identical and while the 3GS might be old tech, the phone itself is still a viable proposition for owners 'cos the OS is brand new. By the time IOS 6 is launched, support for the 3 might end but it will have had a really, really good run, much longer than most people's two year contracts and that boys and girls is real value from that profit machine called Apple.
Also, as far as mercurial's Android dominating markets thing goes... I don't think you'll find an Apple fanboy who'll disagree with you... but... The three top selling devices during that Oct/Nov period were the 4S, 4 and 3GS. Some of us, and Mr. Tarrant apparently, do like to point out that on a device-to-device level (iPhone 4S vs. SGS2) the iDevices win. There are a whole galaxy ('scuse the pun) of Android devices out there while Apple have three phones and the iPod... Of course there are going to be more Android activations overall but phone vs. phone, the winner is in the Apple corner... Them's the facts.
 
greg0205 said:
Also, as far as mercurial's Android dominating markets thing goes... I don't think you'll find an Apple fanboy who'll disagree with you... but... The three top selling devices during that Oct/Nov period were the 4S, 4 and 3GS. Some of us, and Mr. Tarrant apparently, do like to point out that on a device-to-device level (iPhone 4S vs. SGS2) the iDevices win. There are a whole galaxy ('scuse the pun) of Android devices out there while Apple have three phones and the iPod... Of course there are going to be more Android activations overall but phone vs. phone, the winner is in the Apple corner... Them's the facts.
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For the life of me I dont understand why iPhone users always want to use 1 to 1 comparisons and say they are better. You simply can not do that just because of the fact that Android users have a choice. Oh wait, thats because Apple users dont.

I for one want a RAZR and not a SGS2, that does not make the RAZR a better phone its just that I place more weight on a water resistant phone than someone else that prefer something that's light weight. The same goes for people that want keyboards or even some people that want a Samsung Note that I think is way to large to be seen as a phone. They all Android and all of them have their reasons people like them and others dont.
 
greg0205 said:
Eish, I'm afraid... My first post in an Android thread. cerebus is 100% correct as far as fragmentation goes, it really has nothing to do with not having Siri on the 4 or 3GS. From an Apple owner's perspective, whether you have a 3GS, 4 or 4S your IOS5 experience is pretty much identical and while the 3GS might be old tech, the phone itself is still a viable proposition for owners 'cos the OS is brand new. By the time IOS 6 is launched, support for the 3 might end but it will have had a really, really good run, much longer than most people's two year contracts and that boys and girls is real value from that profit machine called Apple.
Also, as far as mercurial's Android dominating markets thing goes... I don't think you'll find an Apple fanboy who'll disagree with you... but... The three top selling devices during that Oct/Nov period were the 4S, 4 and 3GS. Some of us, and Mr. Tarrant apparently, do like to point out that on a device-to-device level (iPhone 4S vs. SGS2) the iDevices win. There are a whole galaxy ('scuse the pun) of Android devices out there while Apple have three phones and the iPod... Of course there are going to be more Android activations overall but phone vs. phone, the winner is in the Apple corner... Them's the facts.
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No you are dead wrong. During November 2011 the Galaxy S2 became the top selling smartphone http://cmvlive.com/technology/gadge...till-the-top-selling-smartphone-in-the-market. Also it is reckoned to be the top selling smartphone of 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones http://willapse.hubpages.com/hub/unlocked-smartphone
 
Elimentals said:
For the life of me I dont understand why iPhone users always want to use 1 to 1 comparisons and say they are better. You simply can not do that just because of the fact that Android users have a choice. Oh wait, thats because Apple users dont.

I for one want a RAZR and not a SGS2, that does not make the RAZR a better phone its just that I place more weight on a water resistant phone than someone else that prefer something that's light weight. The same goes for people that want keyboards or even some people that want a Samsung Note that I think is way to large to be seen as a phone. They all Android and all of them have their reasons people like them and others dont.
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I still believe it's a valid argument 'tho. Most people walk into a phone shop to buy a phone, not an OS, and the numbers tend to suggest that they are asking for an iPhone. I've said it before... here on MyBB the openness of Android would be the feature that makes it the only choice for most forumites, but we are not really representative of the bigger world out there where it's about price and looks. Also so, so, so many of the Android fan posts in the iPhone threads have a "there are more droid activations than IOS activations so my SGS is better than your iPhone and you must have the technical savvy of a coat rack" thing going on... No logic, they usually end up being pretty personal and as soon as device-to-device comparison chatter starts, Android fans dismiss the whole thing. So, given that this is basically an unwinnable debate from both sides, what comparison other than unit sales would you suggest we use to keep the good times rolling?
Finally... I applaud your choice of phone, your reason for choosing it and your freedom to make that choice. It'd just be nice to have one day on this forum where iPhone/iPad/Apple users were afforded the same 'cos we have made ours based on the criteria that was important to us. Oh, and I do have a choice... I choose Apple.
 
 
greg0205 said:
I still believe it's a valid argument 'tho. Most people walk into a phone shop to buy a phone, not an OS, and the numbers tend to suggest that they are asking for an iPhone. I've said it before... here on MyBB the openness of Android would be the feature that makes it the only choice for most forumites, but we are not really representative of the bigger world out there where it's about price and looks. Also so, so, so many of the Android fan posts in the iPhone threads have a "there are more droid activations than IOS activations so my SGS is better than your iPhone and you must have the technical savvy of a coat rack" thing going on... No logic, they usually end up being pretty personal and as soon as device-to-device comparison chatter starts, Android fans dismiss the whole thing. So, given that this is basically an unwinnable debate from both sides, what comparison other than unit sales would you suggest we use to keep the good times rolling?
Finally... I applaud your choice of phone, your reason for choosing it and your freedom to make that choice. It'd just be nice to have one day on this forum where iPhone/iPad/Apple users were afforded the same 'cos we have made ours based on the criteria that was important to us.
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I totally understand your point if that was the argument ie: that SGS2 is better than iPhone 4s, but it was not the case in this thread. The debate is about Android as a whole or that is how I view it. If the other numbers are correct ie: that a single Android device out sold a single iPhone I would really start to worry for Apple's sake purely because not everyone likes the SGS2 example me or the people that opt for say the Samsung Note or Nexus.

greg0205 said:
Oh, and I do have a choice... I choose Apple.
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That is a lot of choice right there, I see you can have a 4.3" or 4" screen as well as sliding keyboards, also would love to see an iPhone in the shape of a BB... oh wait you cant. You have one option and one option only, take it or leave it.

greg0205 said:
Counterpoint: http://news.yahoo.com/iphone-4s-top-selling-phone-americas-three-largest-231807507.html
and http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/06/iphon...-s-carriers-in-november-samsung-sales-strong/
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Well your counter point only use US sales numbers where the others use World numbers so I guess thats where the difference comes in? In this case you can also argue that the 4S was not immediately available in the other countries.
 
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