Anger over Satanism lesson

[pos(t)er]

Sure, but if u say it's a pity, then it's not really helping.If any religion has a bad reputation then the chances of all being treated equally are slim.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Sure, but if u say it's a pity, then it's not really helping.If any religion has a bad reputation then the chances of all being treated equally are slim.

I'm feeling a bit slow today ...... explain?

 

[Albereth]

I think that if there are any kids that have any questions about satanism they should go and ask their priest.

There are some things that I am quite prepared to censor and this is one of them. Call me a bigot, call me a creationist, call me a whatever, but there is no debate here.

But thanks for the heads up - my child will not be attending those classes.

 

[pos(t)er]

Well, why do u feel it's a pity? Because Satanism has a bad rep. in S.A which=inequality amongst religions.

 

[pos(t)er]

Albereth if u'll be so kind as to scroll up to post #17, you'd see why your local priest would be clueless.If u want to know what ur child missing the classes will amount to read the posts #17 was in reply to.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Well, why do u feel it's a pity? Because Satanism has a bad rep. in S.A which=inequality amongst religions.

Oh ok ...... I was just referring to the fact that if you say Wicca or Pagan, you're automatically looked at as being 'evil' ........ in the same sense as Satanism. AFAIK Satanism has 2 schools of thought (one being very similar to paganism and not 'evil' at all) but just mention it and it's instantly something that invokes 'evil' kark.

 

[Albereth]

Albereth if u'll be so kind as to scroll up to post #17, you'd see why your local priest would be clueless.If u want to know what ur child missing the classes will amount to read the posts #17 was in reply to.

Actually not - I expect my local priest to have dedicated years to studying theology. What does a school teacher know?

 

[pos(t)er]

Is Satanism part of Theology, tho?Especially if it's Atheistic?

 

[slowcheetah]

What does a school teacher know?

Oh........my........god!! Can't believe you actually typed that.

Asking your priest about satanism is like asking MTN about what great deals Vodacom has to offer.

 

[Albereth]

Is Satanism part of Theology, tho?Especially if it's Atheistic?

I'd certainly hope so Pretty much the same way Westpoint would have taught soviet tactics during the Cold War, I am sure that peeps in the seminary would learn about the enemy too.

A school teacher is going to be given a bunch of notes to read out in class and is probably going to have the same reaction that I have had to the subject - so where is the justice.

The very notion of this as a topic for school is just nonsense. And to try and defend it?

 

[Albereth]

Oh........my........god!! Can't believe you actually typed that.

Asking your priest about satanism is like asking MTN about what great deals Vodacom has to offer.

I expect MTN to know exactly what the deals are. What am I saying - of course MTN know what the deals are.

BTW - your selection that you chose to quote needed the context.

 

[slowcheetah]

I expect MTN to know exactly what the deals are. What am I saying - of course MTN know what the deals are.

But even if they knew what the deals are they will avoid mentioning it forsure.

BTW - your selection that you chose to quote needed the context.

Fair enough, my bad.

 

[Albereth]

But even if they knew what the deals are they will avoid mentioning it forsure.

I don't know - try it. Go to MTN and tell them what Vodacom are offering and I am sure they'll have a counter offer.

This doesn't work with religion - too many lightning bolts close at hand

 

[alloytoo]

You are poorly informed. Arguing with you is totally pointless.

Ok which religion are you?

If you're an atheist, you can't comment on what Christian/Jewish/Muslim
followes consider EVIL. Satanism (anything by that label) is considered evil
because SATAN is according to those 3 religions in direct opposition to God.
In those 3 religions GOD is the more important than anything else. God is more important than your country, family, friend and even yourself. To support Satanism in any way is pure blasphemy and heresy.

ANYTHING TO DO WITH SATAN IN ANY WAY REMOTELY POSITIVE WAY
IS EVIL FOR THESE 3 MONOTHEISTIC RELIGIONS.

If you're an atheist this doesn't bother you so understand now that you know.

Secondly you're an atheist probably since you don't seem to know what I just wrote about but I'll add that other religions are not seen in the same way as SATANISM by religious people. Muslims do consider Jews and Christians to
be related to them. All 3 religions observe ancient Old Testament prophets
like Abraham, Isaac and Moses. Islam also recognises that Christ was
special ie a prophet and incorportates His teachings. Over the last few hundred years there has also existed an official peace among these religions with people no longer doing forced conversions of each other.

Satanism on the other hand, even if it worships puppies, as long as that word is there - "Satanism" is evil because it has some non-negative connection to Satan. Satan is not to be worshipped or celebrated or venerated in any form
even symbolic by Christian people - as it is evil and a pure insult to God.

If you're an atheist and don't believe in God you can do what you want but
remember that you are celebrating the Devil and you will one day be judged for that. If you don't care THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, but it's not your
place to tell people of faith what they should do.

My problem with teaching of Satanism in such great detail, including prayers is that it makes it seem like another religion - which it's not - such relativism is not agreeable with what the 3 monotheistic religions follow. They also
seem to be concentrating too much on details - eg prayers. Giving youngsters such prayers allows them to start with immediate worship
from the moment go. Satanism if associated with crime should be
explained in schools for that reason.

Again to God, all forms of Satanism are evil. If you don't like it, tough luck,
if you're an atheist and don't care - what's the deal then?
By its definition Satanism is evil and can never be put on a similar pedestal
as say another religion.

If anything, they can teach kids that Satanism uses brainwashing methods to dilute their
anti-social religion --the same way some people on this forum in PD -- and that there
are genuine dangers of Satanism beyond the anti-religious/anti-social aspect thereof.
To go into prayers and advanced symbology and rites is off topic.

This is a life skills class, the perfect place for comparative religion, you cannot exclude one religion or the other simply because you happen to not believe it.

 

[Albereth]

This is a life skills class, the perfect place for comparative religion, you cannot exclude one religion or the other simply because you happen to not believe it.

It isn't a religion.

It isn't that people don't believe that it exists - it clearly does. But it ought not to exist is the point.

And if you believe then you can only but agree that we are better off without it. If you don't believe, then so what?, and we may as well be without because it does nothing.

 

[Natas]

Semantics Semantics Semantics. Satanism is not of necessity evil? Some forms are. When it comes to spirituality or religion, I am many things. A Buddhist, a shaman and a satanist. A Leveyan Satanist to be exact! Its not an evil religion. If you are a christian then yes, you would view it as evil! But if you are devoid of the sanctimonious righteous indignation that Christians tend to defend their religion with, then you will be able to tell that its not evil!

The crap they would have given those children in school would have been propaganda, no doubt penned by some boy molesting priest about a form of satanism that fear mongers like to say exists. To scare more people into their fold! I think the last time there really were cat and dog sacrificing satan worshippers was in the eighties.

I do NOT worship the devil! I bow to NO god and call myself a satanist more as a reaction to christian sanctimonious b_llsh1t!! No doubt I might get a few "you're going to burn in hell" responses for this post!! Out of all the religions out there, the one I hate the most are the f__cking christians!

 

[alloytoo]

It isn't a religion.

It isn't that people don't believe that it exists - it clearly does. But it ought not to exist is the point.

And if you believe then you can only but agree that we are better off without it. If you don't believe, then so what?, and we may as well be without because it does nothing.

Thing is, a life skills class should prepare you for the real world, and religious beatniks are a real threat.

I love coming up with creative ways to frazzle them.....offered evil super-Hero comics to the last idiot who offered me Watchtower.

 

[TheHiveMind]

aslong as people are getting their lessons about satanism from their local church, then these attacks will continue to happen because they continue to paint satanists as devil worshippers and basically awful people, and that will attract these nut jobs. They are personally responsible for spreading such lies. These people who don't want kids to learn about satanism are the same ones who know absolutely nothing about it.

Lies spread about satanism cause wide spread panic, put peoples lives in danger when they are falsely accused of some weird devil worship child pedo ring, and all of this just so the believers can have someone to fight against.. A perceived non existant enemy in a war that has never happened..

Its no wonder the FBI has an entire dept setup to debunk all these rubbish stories and misconceptions, with religious fanatics simply making things up out of thin air, and printing them as fact.. I was very surprised to research and find out that these people get away without going to jail for spreading panic and lies intentionally. Amazing the trash that they can get away with..


These same christians would probably be happy that the REAL message of their religion was taught even though back in the day the major religions of the time considered them devil worshippers and killed a bunch of them.. But I guess they have conveniently forgotten about that

The sad thing of course, is even if it is taught, it would probably be a bunch of religious propoganda anyway..

The sooner rumours and misconceptions are shot down, the sooner these crazies can stop calling themselves satanists.. They believe themselves to be the satanists that the church preaches, not the satanist that satanism preaches.

 

[Albereth]

Semantics Semantics Semantics. Satanism is not of necessity evil? Some forms are. When it comes to spirituality or religion, I am many things. A Buddhist, a shaman and a satanist. A Leveyan Satanist to be exact! Its not an evil religion. If you are a christian then yes, you would view it as evil! But if you are devoid of the sanctimonious righteous indignation that Christians tend to defend their religion with, then you will be able to tell that its not evil!

The crap they would have given those children in school would have been propaganda, no doubt penned by some boy molesting priest about a form of satanism that fear mongers like to say exists. To scare more people into their fold! I think the last time there really were cat and dog sacrificing satan worshippers was in the eighties.

I do NOT worship the devil! I bow to NO god and call myself a satanist more as a reaction to christian sanctimonious b_llsh1t!! No doubt I might get a few "you're going to burn in hell" responses for this post!! Out of all the religions out there, the one I hate the most are the f__cking christians!

Okay - it isn't a religion.

It is evil because every major religion defines it as being so, and without those religions mentioning it, it would not exist. Yep, satan does not have the ability to create anything.

Not all priests are boy molesters, and not only the boy molesting ones write about satan.

Last time there was word about your pet molesting satanists was about 2 or 3 weeks ago - see this very site for news on that.

And you ought not to be condemned to burn in hell, you can make whatever choice you want. The Christians (and others) will pray for you.

 

[Albereth]

Thing is, a life skills class should prepare you for the real world, and religious beatniks are a real threat.

I love coming up with creative ways to frazzle them.....offered evil super-Hero comics to the last idiot who offered me Watchtower.

I quite agree with you.