Anglo-Boer War

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Tomorrow marks the day the Boer Republics declared war against the British empire, the war continued until 31 May 1902.

Over 97 thousand men, on both sides, lost their lives during the conflict

Thousands of hectares of land was rendered useless, by the scorched earth policy, leaving hundreds of thousands to starve.

By February 1902, 114 000 people, mainly women and children, were being held in concentration camps, 81 percent of the casualties in concentration camps were children.

In fact, over 22 thousand children, died in the camps.

There were concentration camps for blacks too, about 115 thousand were kept in camps by the end of the war, more than 14 thousand died in these camps.

Take a minute out of your time tomorrow to remember these people, and try to visit a Boer war memorial or cemetry, there are many dotted throughout the country
 
War -- is -- War

Tomorrow marks the day the Boer Republics declared war against the British empire, the war continued until 31 May 1902.
Over 97 thousand men, on both sides, lost their lives during the conflict

American Civil War -- 650,000

The Americans had more casualties in their Civil War than ALL of the later conflicts that they have been involved in

Ever hear about Andersonville ??????

Read a bit about the American "Concentration Camps"


In any case Oom Paul did the British no end of a favour.

IF he had just given the Gold Mines to the Jews and there had not been an ABW
then it is quite likely that the British Army would have been TOTALLY unprepared for the WWI
In such a scenario it IS quite possible that they could have lost to the Germans.

WELL DONE Oom Paul


MW
 
American Civil War -- 650,000

The Americans had more casualties in their Civil War than ALL of the later conflicts that they have been involved in

Ever hear about Andersonville ??????

Read a bit about the American "Concentration Camps"


In any case Oom Paul did the British no end of a favour.

IF he had just given the Gold Mines to the Jews and there had not been an ABW
then it is quite likely that the British Army would have been TOTALLY unprepared for the WWI
In such a scenario it IS quite possible that they could have lost to the Germans.

WELL DONE Oom Paul


MW

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Are you always this slow?

He never said nothing about the American civil war, he was reminding people that tomorrow marks the day which started the Anglo Boer war. Nothing more nothing less. Go spout your useless info in another thread maybe?
 
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Are you always this slow?

He never said nothing about the Amrican civil war, you was reminding people that tomorrow marks the day which started the Anglo Boer war. Nothing more nothing less. Go spout your useless info in another thread maybe?

You should expect the trolls to come out and play in a thread like this.
This kind of thread will be misconstrued deliberately.

Unfortunately people don't want to be reminded of history.
 
@MidnightWizard - call me "indoctrinated", but I say thank the flying spaghetti monster Hitler ist nicht mein fürer! I can't see how a world under him would have been any worse/better than it is now. Just the same old #$@#$, coming from a different angle.
 
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Thanks for the reminder, I am curious though, where did you source your casualty figures from?

One of my sources says:

26251 Boer women and children died and 1676 men over the age of 16.

1072 Imperial Officers and 20870 other ranks died of disease, wounds, KIA etc.

9403 Boer combatants KIA, Died of disease etc,

approx 14154 Africans (cause and gender not specified) died in concentration camps.

I have spent a lot of time looking for the boer combatants graves and they are very few and far between, Imperial soldiers graves are simple to find, and the concentration camp cemeteries are also easy to visit.
the ABW is also considered to be "the last of the gentlemans wars" and whether we like it or not, the point where South Africa is today had its roots forged on the battlefields of the ABW and the stupidity of the Jameson Raid.



Tomorrow marks the day the Boer Republics declared war against the British empire, the war continued until 31 May 1902.

Over 97 thousand men, on both sides, lost their lives during the conflict

Thousands of hectares of land was rendered useless, by the scorched earth policy, leaving hundreds of thousands to starve.

By February 1902, 114 000 people, mainly women and children, were being held in concentration camps, 81 percent of the casualties in concentration camps were children.

In fact, over 22 thousand children, died in the camps.

There were concentration camps for blacks too, about 115 thousand were kept in camps by the end of the war, more than 14 thousand died in these camps.

Take a minute out of your time tomorrow to remember these people, and try to visit a Boer war memorial or cemetry, there are many dotted throughout the country
 
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Tomorrow marks the day the Boer Republics declared war against the British empire, the war continued until 31 May 1902.

Over 97 thousand men, on both sides, lost their lives during the conflict

Thousands of hectares of land was rendered useless, by the scorched earth policy, leaving hundreds of thousands to starve.

By February 1902, 114 000 people, mainly women and children, were being held in concentration camps, 81 percent of the casualties in concentration camps were children.

In fact, over 22 thousand children, died in the camps.

There were concentration camps for blacks too, about 115 thousand were kept in camps by the end of the war, more than 14 thousand died in these camps.

Take a minute out of your time tomorrow to remember these people, and try to visit a Boer war memorial or cemetry, there are many dotted throughout the country

Ja, I remember that... was a k@k weekend. I pretty much stayed indoors the whole time.
 
Ja, back in those days in deep dark Africa more soldiers died of diseases than actual fighting.

And then some chick in Britain managed to declare the concentration camps inhumane because of their poor conditions (obviously sympathising with those being kept in the camps), and so they were forced to shut them down, and even more people died as a result of them being shut down.
 
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Ja, back in those days in deep dark Africa more soldiers died of diseases than actual fighting.

And then some chick in Britain managed to declare the concentration camps inhumane because of their poor conditions (obviously sympathising with those being kept in the camps), and so they were forced to shut them down, and even more people died as a result of them being shut down.

Hitler took note though.
 
Woof Woof

:confused:
Are you always this slow?
He never said nothing about the American civil war, he was reminding people that tomorrow marks the day which started the Anglo Boer war. Nothing more nothing less. Go spout your useless info in another thread maybe?

True to style true to form true to pedigree

MW
 
World War ONE

@MidnightWizard - call me "indoctrinated", but I say thank the flying spaghetti monster Hitler ist nicht mein fürer! I can't see how a world under him would have been any worse/better than it is now. Just the same old #$@#$, coming from a different angle.

We talking WWI here .........

Hitler was nicht der fuhrer in 1914

BUT

He did win the Iron Cross first class


MW
 
and whether we like it or not, the point where South Africa is today had its roots forged on the battlefields of the ABW and the stupidity of the Jameson Raid.

It actually started before then - the animosity between Boer and Brit during the Black Circuit and later at Slagters Nek.

Black Circuit
in the wake of unsympathetic officials came a host of Christian missionaries who were determined to preach the fashionable doctrine of brotherly love and racial equality to anyone who would listen to them. With their advent the whole impact of contemporary English liberalism and Negrophilism, buttressed as it was by central authority, fell suddenly on the Boers. The missionaries' teachings were, of course, repugnant to a white race not only convinced of its superiority to the Hottentots and Bantu, but which genuinely believed that its very existence depended on subjugating these inferior beings who had harmed them so often. And, indeed, one cannot help but feel a good deal of sympathy for the Boers on this matter, especially as the missionaries were earnest irritable men who had no experience in dealing with a multi-racial society, and who seemed to reserve all their charity for its coloured members. Many of the missionaries came from the artisan class and had received the call during the British evangelical revival: for instance, John Philip, who was particularly loathed by the Afrikaners, had been a mill hand before entering the Church, while Robert Moffat of Kuruman had begun life as a gardener. This sort of background inevitably led them to display a narrowness of vision which might have been avoided by a wider education, and, however praiseworthy their purpose, however splendid their new awareness of the equality of men, it is sad that the missionaries did not express their opinions about the Boer attitudes to the coloured people more tactfully, and avoided other of their more patronising criticisms. But, however badly they had been received by the Dutch Colonists, the missionaries certainly had the ear of the Cape Government, and it was mainly due to their agitation that the British authorities in 1828 passed an ordinance which released all Hottentots from any legislation that enforced discrimination on account of colour. Pass laws and child apprenticeship were all abolished and there is no doubt that the Boers were correct in claiming that Hottentot vagrancy, with its concomitant evil of stock-theft, thereafter increased immeasurably. What rankled even more was the enrolment of Hottentots as soldiers to enforce the Colony's laws, and the way Hottentot servants were allowed—even encouraged—to make official complaints about the treatment meted out to them by their masters. In matters of this sort the Hottentots were all too often abetted by the missionaries; one of whom took credit for causing the arrest of no less than twenty white farmers for the maltreatment of their servants. We must remember, too, that to answer such a charge in court meant that a man had to leave his wife and children unprotected on an isolated farm for days and weeks at a time, and we can sympathise with the shocked surprise of one of them who, on receiving a summons to a distant magistracy, groaned `My God! Is this the way to treat a Christian?'

Many of the blacks where coached in what to say by the British against the Boers due to the first "Liberal" missionaries from England to side with the blacks against the Boers when they landed here.

Slagters Nek
Not all the Boers were willing to accept a summons of this sort, and during 1815 a key piece of Afrikaner history dropped into place when a Frederick Bezuidenhout ignored several warrants to appear at Graaff Reinet to answer charges of ill-treatment laid by one of his Hottentot servants. After two years had gone by Hottentot soldiers led by a white officer attempted to arrest Bezuidenhout, and killed him when he resisted. At the grave-side a few days later his brother, Johannes Bezuidenhout, swore to `expel the tyrants from the country', but the rising he led ended rather tamely when the rebels were confronted by a posse of Dragoons at Slagters Nek. Bezuidenhout himself was killed in the skirmish and his followers surrendered; five of them were condemned to death. Unhappily the hanging was badly bungled: the ropes of four men broke and they were only executed at the second attempt. The horror of the scene at Slagters Nek, the well-named `Butcher's Pass', which on orders from Cape Town was watched by all the district, became deeply etched into Boer folk-memory.

The common rule was if the rope broke - God had stepped in and you cannot be hanged again...

this was the start of the Boer Wars
 
Ah the English, the most civilized people in the world. Kill the women and children slowly, with disease. Malnutrition debilitates the natives for generations. Burn everything else.

Hitler was practically civil by their standards.
 
And Everyone wonders why the African nations dislikes the Europeans.... when the Afrikaaner cant even forgive past agressors.. how does that work?

Please Mr Mandela, forgive is for we have been bad and seek to right the wrongs - but the English can go to hell

But then, I can digress and say the The Dutch (who the Afrikaaner are descendants of) had nothing to do with the invasion of England in 1866.

Remember, history is defined by the winner.
 
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Ah the English, the most civilized people in the world. Kill the women and children slowly, with disease. Malnutrition debilitates the natives for generations. Burn everything else.

Hitler was practically civil by their standards.

And so were the French, the Romans, the Greeks, The American Settlers, The Zulu ... etc... ho hum ad nausem.

See what Ricard said about the winner.
 
Indoctrinated

Ah the English, the most civilized people in the world. Kill the women and children slowly, with disease. Malnutrition debilitates the natives for generations. Burn everything else.
Hitler was practically civil by their standards.
According to who

I can see that you have imbibed a bad dose of the -- hash up old history and hate the English.

Just ask some of the people in occupied Europe how they felt about the NAZI occupation.

Or why not ask some of the millions of Jews in the Extermination camps.

Or even better have a look at the NAZI "scorched-earth" policy in Russia.

Makes the ABW look like a picnic

How many Russian POW's captured early in the invasion survived capture ???

Where did Botha and Smuts find all the "boer" soldiers to go fight the Germans in GWA in WWI if they hated the terrible English so much ?????

I am not sure why this is still such a big part of some peoples lives. ???

The British Empire had many different wars with many different people -- somehow they have all managed to get over it.

MW
 
:confused:

Are you always this slow?

He never said nothing about the American civil war, he was reminding people that tomorrow marks the day which started the Anglo Boer war. Nothing more nothing less. Go spout your useless info in another thread maybe?

:)

+1
 
Source Reference please

It actually started before then - the animosity between Boer and Brit during the Black Circuit and later at Slagters Nek.

Black Circuit
the blacks against the Boers when they landed here.

Slagters Nek

this was the start of the Boer Wars

Please can we have references for all of this

Far as I know in ABW II the declaration of war came from the Boer side

MW
 
Nothing more Nothing Less

Tomorrow marks the day the Boer Republics declared war against the British empire, the war continued until 31 May 1902.

Thousands of hectares of land was rendered useless, by the scorched earth policy, leaving hundreds of thousands to starve.

By February 1902, 114 000 people, mainly women and children, were being held in concentration camps, 81 percent of the casualties in concentration camps were children.

In fact, over 22 thousand children, died in the camps.

He was reminding people that tomorrow marks the day which started the Anglo Boer war. Nothing more nothing less.

Wellll he ceetainly seems to include quite a bit of evocative historical statistic

Certainly not some dry historical remembrance. ( and certainly NO mention of British casualties )

I seem to think that the OP had a bit more in mind

Slow NO
DOF --NO

If you cannot see that , then I guess you must be the slow one.

MW
 
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