Apple could use software workaround to avoid US sales ban

[Hanno Labuschagne]

Apple could use software workaround to avoid US sales ban

Apple Inc., facing a ban on imports of its watches that generate billions in annual sales, is seeking alternate paths to overcome the patent-infringement loss that forced the most popular Apple Watch models off shelves over the holidays.

The Cupertino, Calif.-based tech giant won a temporary reprieve from a federal appeals court Wednesday, two months after the US International Trade Commission ruled the smartwatches infringed patents held by medical-device maker Masimo Corp.—and one day after the device’s US sales halted.

[Bloomberg]

 

[system32]

Apple "redeveloping" smartwatch software to bypass US sales ban

Masimo has hardware patents on oxygen measurement.

Does the "software to bypass" disable the hardware?

 

[neoprema]

Apple "redeveloping" smartwatch software to bypass US sales ban

Masimo has hardware patents on oxygen measurement.

Does the "software to bypass" disable the hardware?

No but it might win the legal battle and cause the irritating patent trolls aka Masimo to shuttup and, preferably, sink down a black hole.

 

[Dolby]

No but it might win the legal battle and cause the irritating patent trolls aka Masimo to shuttup and, preferably, sink down a black hole.

See? This is why you’re mocked

You don’t know or care who Masimo is.
You have no idea what a patent troll actually is
You’re all Apple! Apple! Apple! Apple!

 

[Dolby]

Does the "software to bypass" disable the hardware?

AFAIK there are different ways to get the measurements and Apple is using Masimos way (the most accurate) to get the result .

They’ll change the algorithm on the backend which will most likely lower accuracy or something - but it will still give a result . So to you or I, it’ll seem like nothing has changed

 

[sensus communis]

Why don't they push through an update that disable the function and delete the algorithms , the fan boys won't mind

 

[bwana]

Why don't they push through an update that disable the function and delete the algorithms , the fan boys won't mind

It's clear from the article they don't have to, yet.

I'm wondering if/when they do whether a forced update will be US-centric or global.

 

[Foxhound5366]

No but it might win the legal battle and cause the irritating patent trolls aka Masimo to shuttup and, preferably, sink down a black hole.

Seems Apple was pretty scummy from what I heard. MKBHD shared that Apple approached Masimo to use their hardware, then hired Masimo staff instead and filed a patent under the name of one of the Masimo staff they’d poached. I wouldn’t call Masimo a patent troll if that was the case.

 

[Dolby]

I wouldn’t call Masimo a patent troll if that was the case.

They’re absolutely not. He doesn’t understand what that term means though.

Masimo is a legit publicly traded medical technology company founded 3 decades ago, employing 8,000 people with a worth of $6bn or so. They supply medical products to hospitals & clinics around the world.

They actually acquired Sounds United as well, so they also own Denon, Marantz, Polk Audio, Bowers and Wilkins, Definitive Technology, Polk, HEOS, Classé Audio and Boston Acoustics

As you say, the real dodgy company here is Apple trying to use someone else’s product or technology developed over years using their own R&D. And when getting caught out, trying to get the President to overturn …

 

[Dolby]

A quick Wiki :

The company primarily manufactures patient monitoring devices and technologies, including non-invasivesensors using optical technology, patient management, and telehealth platforms

In 2011, Forbes named Masimo to its list of top 20 public companies under a billion dollars in revenue

In October 2023, the United States International Trade Commission (ITC) ruled that Apple Inc. had infringed upon patents for light-based pulse oximetry owned by Masimo in its Apple Watch product line

Masimo accused Apple of poachingengineers from the company after it declined offers to partner with or be acquired by Apple

 

[Dups!]

This is where I am hoping Apple loses this case. I enjoy the iPhone alongside my Galaxy phone, but Apple is very arrogant and seriously disrespectful. They have so much money that they think they can step on anyone's toes without consequences.

 

[Dolby]

And on the other side of the fence we have this highly ethical visionary technology company that doesn’t rely on lawsuits but rather the cutting edge technology they have /s

“Apple sued Indie musician named 'Franki pineapple' because pineapple sounds like apple”

“Apple Is Taking On Apples in a Truly Weird Trademark Battle with real images Apples”

“How Steve Jobs Invented The Computer Mouse By Stealing It From Xerox”

“Apple finally gets its patent on a rectangle with rounded corners”

Apple Sues Small Business With Pear Logo Because 'People Can Get Confused'”

“Apple Loses German Top Court Case on Swipe-to-Unlock Patent”

In this last one, they tried to get ‘tap’ included as well …

 

[Pegging]

See? This is why you’re mocked

You don’t know or care who Masimo is.
You have no idea what a patent troll actually is
You’re all Apple! Apple! Apple! Apple!

He is mocked for multiple other reasons.

 

[MagNorthDigital]

Apple "redeveloping" smartwatch software to bypass US sales ban

Masimo has hardware patents on oxygen measurement.

Does the "software to bypass" disable the hardware?

This is starting to look a lot like volkswagen.

 

[system32]

AFAIK there are different ways to get the measurements and Apple is using Masimos way (the most accurate) to get the result .

They’ll change the algorithm on the backend which will most likely lower accuracy or something - but it will still give a result . So to you or I, it’ll seem like nothing has changed

The Masimo patent is for hardware. Not sure how a software change gets around the patent... unless Apple use software to disable the hardware to make 0% accurate.

 

[system32]

No but it might win the legal battle and cause the irritating patent trolls aka Masimo to shuttup and, preferably, sink down a black hole.

You a troll.
Go read up on the issue first before sprouting nonsense.

Masimo is not a patent troll.
They invented the technology that Apple stole.

Apple just a bully thieves and good that they being blocked.

 

[neoprema]

You a troll.
Go read up on the issue first before sprouting nonsense.

Masimo is not a patent troll.
They invented the technology that Apple stole.

Apple just a bully thieves and good that they being blocked.

I've read the article, and i've read up on Masimo ad naseum and my conclusion remains the same. Apple didn't steal anything.

Masimo keen to get a settlement, but Apple won't call

Masimo CEO Joe Kiani claims the medical device company is open to a settlement discussion over the upcoming U.S. Apple Watch sales ban, but Apple allegedly hasn't made any moves to do so.

appleinsider.com

Masimo thought Apple would pay them quickly, Apple is showing patent trolls the door and rather sacrificing their product sales as a show of strength. I say good on them! I'de buy another Apple watch this year just to help Apple pull more sales and a finger at Masimo

 

[Dolby]

The wMasimo patent is for hardware. Not sure how a software change gets around the patent... unless Apple use software to disable the hardware to make 0% accurate.

Maybe it’s both?

 

[Dolby]

I've read the article, and i've read up on Masimo ad naseum and my conclusion remains the same. Apple didn't steal anything.

Masimo keen to get a settlement, but Apple won't call

Masimo CEO Joe Kiani claims the medical device company is open to a settlement discussion over the upcoming U.S. Apple Watch sales ban, but Apple allegedly hasn't made any moves to do so.

appleinsider.com

Masimo thought Apple would pay them quickly, Apple is showing patent trolls the door and rather sacrificing their product sales as a show of strength. I say good on them! I'de buy another Apple watch this year just to help Apple pull more sales and a finger at Masimo

This guy!

Such a joker!

 

[Dave]

This guy!

Such a joker!