Apple could use software workaround to avoid US sales ban

[Dolby]

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Are you saying you agree or disagree with him? I can’t imagine you’d agree with what he’s saying - but maybe you have a pact to support each other?

Like a bee dance to attract the gang and gain support ? Apple Dance?

 

[Barbarian Conan]

I've read the article, and i've read up on Masimo ad naseum and my conclusion remains the same. Apple didn't steal anything.

Masimo keen to get a settlement, but Apple won't call

Masimo CEO Joe Kiani claims the medical device company is open to a settlement discussion over the upcoming U.S. Apple Watch sales ban, but Apple allegedly hasn't made any moves to do so.

appleinsider.com

Masimo thought Apple would pay them quickly, Apple is showing patent trolls the door and rather sacrificing their product sales as a show of strength. I say good on them! I'de buy another Apple watch this year just to help Apple pull more sales and a finger at Masimo

What is your definition of a patent troll?

 

[whatwhat]

Apple fanboys are the worst.

If your life is so empty that the only redeeming quality about you is the phone in your pocket, well, there is really no hope for you.

 

[bwana]

Apple fanboys are the worst.

If your life is so empty that the only redeeming quality about you is the phone in your pocket, well, there is really no hope for you.

And those people who show an unhealthy interest in whatever phone other people have in their pockets? Seriously, why care so much?

 

[Hamster]

Masimo thought Apple would pay them quickly, Apple is showing patent trolls the door and rather sacrificing their product sales as a show of strength. I say good on them! I'de buy another Apple watch this year just to help Apple pull more sales and a finger at Masimo

Jussie jy is stupid

 

[semaphore]

I'de buy another Apple watch this year just to help Apple pull more sales and a finger at Masimo

Yeah, but you're a hypochondriac idiot as well. I'm sure apple will come along with their automated vaccine system.

 

[whatwhat]

And those people who show an unhealthy interest in whatever phone other people have in their pockets? Seriously, why care so much?

iPhone users are like vegans. You don't have to ask them or care about it - they just tell you about it.

 

[bwana]

iPhone users are like vegans. You don't have to ask them or care about it - they just tell you about it.

Like you in this thread? Vegan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[FiestaST]

The irony is strong in this thread.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Apple fanboys are the worst.

Benevolent Cult!

even when shown how there wonder company does some shady stuff, they still run around shouting
Apple!

 

[system32]

I've read the article, and i've read up on Masimo ad naseum and my conclusion remains the same. Apple didn't steal anything.

Masimo keen to get a settlement, but Apple won't call

Masimo CEO Joe Kiani claims the medical device company is open to a settlement discussion over the upcoming U.S. Apple Watch sales ban, but Apple allegedly hasn't made any moves to do so.

appleinsider.com

Masimo thought Apple would pay them quickly, Apple is showing patent trolls the door and rather sacrificing their product sales as a show of strength. I say good on them! I'de buy another Apple watch this year just to help Apple pull more sales and a finger at Masimo

UPDATE:
Apple to Pull Blood-Oxygen Tool From Watches to Avoid US Ban If Appeal Fails
See https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...tch-blood-oxygen-app-to-avoid-ban-masimo-says

 

[neoprema]

UPDATE:
Apple to Pull Blood-Oxygen Tool From Watches to Avoid US Ban If Appeal Fails
See https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...tch-blood-oxygen-app-to-avoid-ban-masimo-says

As long as the trolls at Masimo never see a penny of Apple's hard-earned money i don't care if Apple pulls the entire watch and sells us an empty strap. I'll still support them. We'll see how it plays out, the injunction was a step in the direction of some logic and reason but its only temporary.

 

[Johnatan56]

As long as the trolls at Masimo never see a penny of Apple's hard-earned money i don't care if Apple pulls the entire watch and sells us an empty strap. I'll still support them. We'll see how it plays out, the injunction was a step in the direction of some logic and reason but its only temporary.

"trolls", as said in this thread, they are the ones who made and patented it, and Apple was also scummy enough to poach the staff.

Massimo will definitely receive money from Apple as they used it for years, so will have to pay based on number of sales plus extra. Apple removing it is to limit the number of sales to that point in time, and hopefully mitigate the cost.

 

[RedViking]

As long as the trolls at Masimo never see a penny of Apple's hard-earned money i don't care if Apple pulls the entire watch and sells us an empty strap. I'll still support them. We'll see how it plays out, the injunction was a step in the direction of some logic and reason but its only temporary.

Are you an Apple user and experiencing the following symptoms;

• Shortness of breath.
• Rapid breathing
• Fast or pounding heartbeat
• Confusion
• Delusions

Please phone your local Apple Helpline, you might be due for an upgrade.

 

[Dolby]

As long as the trolls at Masimo … Apple's hard-earned money … step in the direction of some logic

Whew

 

[neoprema]

"trolls", as said in this thread, they are the ones who made and patented it, and Apple was also scummy enough to poach the staff.

Massimo will definitely receive money from Apple as they used it for years, so will have to pay based on number of sales plus extra. Apple removing it is to limit the number of sales to that point in time, and hopefully mitigate the cost.

No,

Apple hired ex Masimo employees - this is business, not a backyard BBQ with your buddies - people leave jobs for better ones - and designed their SPO2 monitor with the skill of that staff. Masimo alleges the one Apple designed is a patent infringement. There will no doubt be overlaps because the same techs at Masimo that Masimo could not even hold on to got jobs at Apple and designed their one. So there's overlaps in the technology that Masimo claims is patented. There is a patent yes, but there's only so many ways an SPo2 monitor can work - so at some point there was bound to be overlaps and when Masimo saw them they obviously were bitter at losing staff, and saw a quick way to make money. So they took legal action claiming patent infringement.

Apple actually did something with the tech, they put it in watches and saved lives. Masimo just hung around with the patent waiting for someone (because like i said, there's only so many ways to make an SPO2 monitor) to infringe and then pounced like trolls.

I hope Apple buries Masimo so far deep in whatever they have planned that their name is wiped from history

 

[Dolby]

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Are you for real ?

Take off the Apple glasses and re-type your post

 

[Crowley]

No,

Apple hired ex Masimo employees - this is business, not a backyard BBQ with your buddies - people leave jobs for better ones - and designed their SPO2 monitor with the skill of that staff. Masimo alleges the one Apple designed is a patent infringement. There will no doubt be overlaps because the same techs at Masimo that Masimo could not even hold on to got jobs at Apple and designed their one. So there's overlaps in the technology that Masimo claims is patented. There is a patent yes, but there's only so many ways an SPo2 monitor can work - so at some point there was bound to be overlaps and when Masimo saw them they obviously were bitter at losing staff, and saw a quick way to make money. So they took legal action claiming patent infringement.

Apple actually did something with the tech, they put it in watches and saved lives. Masimo just hung around with the patent waiting for someone (because like i said, there's only so many ways to make an SPO2 monitor) to infringe and then pounced like trolls.

I hope Apple buries Masimo so far deep in whatever they have planned that their name is wiped from history

Even for a Apple fan you are truly delusional.

 

[konfab]

Even for a Apple fan you are truly delusional.

Do you know what Masimo is claiming is their groundbreaking patent?




https://patentlawyermagazine.com/ap...ct-modifications-patenting-and-their-defense/



This was one of the patents. I have highlighted the claims that Masimo claimes were violated.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10945648B2/en

20. A user-worn device configured to non-invasively determine measurements of a user's tissue, the user-worn device comprising:
a plurality of light emitting diodes (LEDs);
at least four photodiodes configured to receive light emitted by the LEDs, the four photodiodes being arranged to capture light at different quadrants of tissue of a user;
a protrusion comprising a convex surface and a plurality of through holes, each through hole including a window and arranged over a different one of the at least four photodiodes; and
one or more processors configured to receive one or more signals from at least one of the photodiodes and determine measurements of oxygen saturation of the user.
21. The user-worn device of claim 20, wherein the one or more processors are further configured to process the one or more signals to determine a bulk measurement indicating a positioning of the user-worn device.
22. The user-worn device of claim 20, wherein the plurality of LEDs and the photodiodes are positioned on a same side of the user's tissue.
23. The user-worn device of claim 20, wherein the one or more signals are substantially free of noise caused by light piping.
24. The user-worn device of claim 20, wherein the protrusion comprises opaque material configured to substantially prevent light piping.
25. The user-worn device of claim 20, further comprising gaps between the photodiodes and the windows.
26. The user-worn device of claim 20, wherein the photodiodes are arranged in a quadrant configuration.
27. The user-worn device of claim 26, further comprising opaque walls surrounding the photodiodes.
28. The user-worn device of claim 27, wherein the walls are configured to reduce mixing of light from distinct quadrants of the tissue.
29. The user-worn device of claim 20, wherein the protrusion further comprises one or more extensions.
30. The user-worn device of claim 20, wherein the protrusion further comprises one or more chamfered edges.

To describe it:

In addition, the curved bed can include a protrusion shaped to increase an amount of light radiation from the measurement site. In an embodiment, the protrusion is used to thin out the measurement site. This allows the light radiation to pass through less tissue, and accordingly is attenuated less. In an embodiment, the protrusion can be used to increase the area from which attenuated light can be measured. In an embodiment, this is done through the use of a lens which collects attenuated light exiting the measurement site and focuses onto one or more detectors. The protrusion can advantageously include plastic, including a hard opaque plastic, such as a black or other colored plastic, helpful in reducing light noise. In an embodiment, such light noise includes light that would otherwise be detected at a photodetector that has not been attenuated by tissue of the measurement site of a patient sufficient to cause the light to adequately included information indicative of one or more physiological parameters of the patient. Such light noise includes light piping.

What their "patent" is, is that little bit of plastic in the middle with protrusions coming up.


This isn't a groundbreaking invention. And I don't think it is even applicable to the Apple watch.

Does this:

look remotely similar to what is claimed in the patent?

Again, reason #9847369856147876345187653465134715347861523476152348756123487615238476512 why IP laws are complete and utter garbage

It doesn't even apply because the LEDs are in completely different locations.

With a finger pulse oximeter, LEDs shine through the skin and receive the light. With a wrist based one, like the Apple watch, it is based on the reflected light (hence why wrist trackers are less accurate than finger ones). So their whole argument doesn't even apply.

 

[Dolby]

Do you know what Masimo is claiming is their groundbreaking patent?

Let's assume you're right and you do know more than the attornies dealing with case.

• Why would ITC even ban Apple watch in the first place?
• Why would U.S. Federal Appeals only pause the ban?
• Why would Apple start contemplating work arounds & changes to get past the ban?
• Why are they looking at dropping the feature?
• Why were they looking at running to the President ?

Apple to drop blood oxygen tool from Apple Watches to avoid import ban

Apple has prepared modified Apple Watch models that could help it to avoid an import ban caused by a patent dispute with a California tech firm.

www.digitaltrends.com

I'd think at some point someone would have said the below - but teams of very smart people are saying seeing merit & Apple is already looking for ways out ...

'hey! your patent is that little bit of plastic in the middle with protrusions coming up'