Apple could use software workaround to avoid US sales ban

[Dolby]

When you go and claim that a linear regression is your top secret algorithm and thus a trade secret, you are patent troll.

So they're a $6bn / 30 year old medical company with medical products & medical staff - but they're a medical patent troll ?
And they have 8,000 medical-industry staff and doctors on their payroll to help run this medical company ?
And Apple hired a number of the medical staff to assist and develop their own medical technologies?

Sounds legit

Here is there the definition

' ... a company that obtains the rights to one or more patents in order to profit by means of licensing or litigation, rather than by producing its own goods or services ...'

 

[system32]

When you go and claim that a linear regression is your top secret algorithm and thus a trade secret, you are patent troll.

You want more evidence?
I just wonder why the ITC suddenly went after Apple.

Hunter Biden hides away at major Dem donor Joe Kiani’s $50 million vineyard during probes

With federal and congressional investigations hanging over his head, first son Hunter Biden and his wife Melissa Cohen escaped Los Angeles.

nypost.com

You think the ITC really is that independent from 'nuncle Biden?

Wed 17th Jan:

Apple again banned from selling watches in U.S. with blood oxygen sensor
See https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/17/app...g-watches-in-us-with-blood-oxygen-sensor.html

Seems U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit agreed with Masimo.

 

[Dolby]

Apple again banned from selling watches in U.S. with blood oxygen sensor

He says Apple just don't feel like fighting it because it's too exensive or something

 

[Crowley]

Wed 17th Jan:

Apple again banned from selling watches in U.S. with blood oxygen sensor
See https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/17/app...g-watches-in-us-with-blood-oxygen-sensor.html

Seems U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit agreed with Masimo.

They should have employed @konfab and saved millions.

 

[konfab]

They should have employed @konfab and saved millions.

I wish they did. Complementary Apple products would be great

As I said a previous post. IP law in the US is a f__king joke. It does not protect innovation; it simply stifles it.

 

[Dolby]

I wish they did. Complementary Apple products would be great

As I said a previous post. IP law in the US is a f__king joke. It does not protect innovation; it simply stifles it.

and you reckon a $3tn company with an army of lawyers, would rather change their product and forfeit their R&D?

 

[konfab]

and you reckon a $3tn company with an army of lawyers, would rather change their product and forfeit their R&D?

If you look what is being claimed to infringed on, it is such a tiny portion of the product overall. Apple can issue a software update that turns off the feature for US smart watches, which does resolve the issue. Apple's brand is so strong that having a hiccup on one set of products isn't going to hurt them. Especially compared to bendgate, antennagate and keygate.
For their newer products, it likely is cheaper for them to change a few lines of code and a piece of plastic than fight this all the way to the supreme court. There is always a cost/benefit analysis that needs to be done with litigation (this applies to all law).

 

[FiestaST]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1747766524188696716

 

[Dolby]

If you look what is being claimed to infringed on, it is such a tiny portion of the product overall

So it's cool to copy & infringe on a ptent, if it's only a 'little bit' ?

Apple can issue a software update that turns off the feature for US smart watches

Which they have - and it's odd for such an inncodent company with their resoruces to roll over

Apple's brand is so strong that having a hiccup on one set of products isn't going to hurt them

Of course not - because 'no one cares!'

it likely is cheaper for them to change a few lines of code and a piece of plastic than fight this all the way to the supreme court.

Sure ...

 

[backstreetboy]

Masimo CEO: Apple Watch Blood Oxygen Sensor is Not Reliable, Customers Are 'Better Off Without It'

As Apple starts selling Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 models without the blood oxygen sensor enabled, Masimo CEO Joe Kiani confirmed to Bloomberg that there has been no chat with Apple about a possible settlement. According to Kiani, he has not spoken to anyone from Apple "personally" and...

forums.macrumors.com

Kiani maligned the Apple Watch blood oxygen sensor, even though it is allegedly using Masimo-patented technology. "Apple is masquerading what they are offering to consumers as a reliable, medical pulse oximeter, even though it is not," said Kiani. "I really feel wholeheartedly that consumers are better off without it."

 

[backstreetboy]

Lol thought Apple stole the tech?

 

[Dolby]

Lol thought Apple stole the tech?

You get the Apple tech and Masimo tech .

Apple's blood oxygen sensor does not have FDA clearance, but Masimo's W1 watch does

Apple stole Masimo tech because it's the better - but they're now reverting to their own it's good enough' technology . It's a badly worded articel by a truly objective website

 

[backstreetboy]

You get the Apple tech and Masimo tech .

Apple's blood oxygen sensor does not have FDA clearance, but Masimo's W1 watch does

Apple stole Masimo tech because it's the better - but they're now reverting to their own it's good enough' technology . It's a badly worded articel by a truly objective website

He is wrong anyway. Apple never sold it for medical use.

How to use the Blood Oxygen app on Apple Watch

The Blood Oxygen app can allow you to measure the oxygen level of your blood on-demand directly from your wrist, providing you with insights into your overall wellness.

support.apple.com

Measurements taken with the Blood Oxygen app are not intended for medical use and are only designed for general fitness and wellness purposes.

CEO sounds like a real douche.

 

[Dolby]

He is wrong anyway. Apple never sold it for medical use.

The boardroom diiscussion went something like this :

Tim : 'Guys - we've developed our technology being 'good enough' ... it's worked before with our 'good enough' technology, but I'd like to take this a step further'
Execs : 'Whatever do you mean, Master?'
Tim : 'We can't get get our 'good enough' technology approved by the FDA - so let's steal someone elses & ask the President to vito it when they try block us?'
Execs : 'Yes Master ... ours isn't good enough to medical but we do state that very clearly on our support page, but I agree we need to up the game and steal someone that IS medicall good enough'

 

[Dolby]

Apple won't license Masimo's patents despite Apple Watch import ban

Apple CEO Tim Cook implies there isn't any intention to license Masimo's blood oxygen detection to end the Apple Watch import ban.

appleinsider.com

This is sad ... Apple spends billions on R&D on the sensor & another company posing as a fake medical company, just says 'oh we did that' .... and Tim Cook walks away What is the world coming to @neoprema ?

But I think Tim is right .... they're focused on the appeal of the watch & brand image instead. And there are lots of reasons - you can tell everyone you have an Apple Watch, being one!

"We're focused on appeal," Cook's statement said. "There's lots of reasons to buy the watch even without the blood oxygen sensor."

 

[Craig_]

As long as the trolls at Masimo never see a penny of Apple's hard-earned money i don't care if Apple pulls the entire watch and sells us an empty strap. I'll still support them. We'll see how it plays out, the injunction was a step in the direction of some logic and reason but its only temporary.

With me barely understanding wth is going on here, this one post stands out as truly moronic.

Not even the ANC sheep are that blind.

 

[Dolby]

With me barely understanding wth is going on here, this one post stands out as truly moronic.

Not even the ANC sheep are that blind.

He's different, for sure ... has an Apple sticker on his car and lives in an Apple world . He's the only one I know with an Apple cloth and can't get enough of how good it is to a normal cloth :/ He does whatever Apple tells him to do - so the ideal customer.

Apple is the far greater, larger, more responsible, more perfect and superior company. Its not even a comparison

With respect, I own every apple product except a Mac desktop. And they all work perfectly fine.

Her fault for getting married instead of buying more apple products

I turn all my data sharing on with Apple. I want them to succeed and have nothing to hide either

Whichever Apple feels is best for us, we'll use. I'm fine either way.

Apple won't touch that tech until they can perfect it like everything else they do

Whichever one goes with the Apple Hermes watch I’ll be able to buy with all my money

runs on a Apple hardware it outperforms anything Windows and Linux can do by a quarter mile with its eyes closed

iPhone is still by far far superior to any Android device currently out there, or planned for the future.

And that's probably one of the reasons Apple hasn't yet. Perfect or nothing.

This move from Apple was industry-leading, and should be hailed

As with anything Apple, they're not late to the party but rather will release an absolutely amazing version of the functionality that is perfected

I loved the touchbar, but if Apple says it must go, it must go. I accept it, they know more than I do.

 

[SubtleBeast]

He's different, for sure ... has an Apple sticker on his car and lives in an Apple world . He's the only one I know with an Apple cloth and can't get enough of how good it is to a normal cloth :/ He does whatever Apple tells him to do - so the ideal customer.

Years late, but now we get a look into the mind of a staunch Covid "vaccine and accepted response to the pandemic" supporter
It ain't beautiful

 

[Bernoldus Niemand]

Apple won't license Masimo's patents despite Apple Watch import ban

Apple CEO Tim Cook implies there isn't any intention to license Masimo's blood oxygen detection to end the Apple Watch import ban.

appleinsider.com

This is sad ... Apple spends billions on R&D on the sensor & another company posing as a fake medical company, just says 'oh we did that' .... and Tim Cook walks away What is the world coming to @neoprema ?

But I think Tim is right .... they're focused on the appeal of the watch & brand image instead. And there are lots of reasons - you can tell everyone you have an Apple Watch, being one!

"We're focused on appeal," Cook's statement said. "There's lots of reasons to buy the watch even without the blood oxygen sensor."

Apple wins a battle (and $250) in its smartwatch patent fight with Masimo

Yes — just $250.

www.theverge.com

Apple got a mixed victory in a patent infringement lawsuit against medical device maker Masimo. On Friday, a federal jury determined that Masimo had infringed on some Apple patents, and as part of the verdict, Apple was awarded $250 — yes, just $250 — as a statutory remedy for Masimo’s infringement.

 

[Dave]

Apple wins a battle (and $250) in its smartwatch patent fight with Masimo

Yes — just $250.

www.theverge.com

Though I see Apple was only claiming $250 in the case.

$250 is the statutory minimum damages for the alleged infringement and Apple had sought that figure, Bloomberg Law reports. “We’re not here for the money,” Apple attorney John Desmarais said to jurors in closing arguments, according to the publication.