Apple iPhone 5 disappointment

BeVonk! said:
You don't get it. I am stating things as they are but when that involves anything negative about Apple guys like you go bananas (instead of apples). Only by seeing and admitting shortcomings can progress be made.
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You're seeing things the way you perceive them to be, not necessarily the way they are. ;)
 
bwana said:
You're seeing things the way you perceive them to be, not necessarily the way they are. ;)
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Fair enough. We all do that. Plenty experience with equipment from both sides on a daily basis do give one a more accurate perception though. I use both iOS and Android daily for work and personal things and I have intimate knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of each. A person that has less access and spends less time with these things will more than likely have a more skewed perception.

The problem here is not so much which is better but the different reactions of fans. Apple fans are so on the edge that one cannot help but have fun with them. I used to be like that myself. Apple fans have turned Apple into a religion/cult and their reactions to criticism are very similar to those protecting a religion/cult. That is the big red button on the forehead I mentioned before.

Apple fans with more realistic (and honest) opinions about Apple and its products - and feeling less threatened - will make the big red button go away.
 
BeVonk! said:
Yet I recently bought an iPad 4 for R8500 and an iPad Mini for R5500. That is a strange investment for someone who no longer likes Apple and is the new savior ...

You don't get it. I am stating things as they are but when that involves anything negative about Apple guys like you go bananas (instead of apples). Only by seeing and admitting shortcomings can progress be made.
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It's not ANYTHING negative. I've yet to see you post a single positive article about them. Everything that comes out of you, at least on the forum side, is doom and gloom for Apple. You jump on rumours like they're gospel. I appreciate that you are actually fairly balanced in practice; but you don't give strong evidence of that on here.

And this idea you have that Apple is some kind of cult is just...well I don't know what it is... patronising certainly; insulting....
 
cerebus said:
It's not ANYTHING negative. I've yet to see you post a single positive article about them. Everything that comes out of you, at least on the forum side, is doom and gloom for Apple. You jump on rumours like they're gospel. I appreciate that you are actually fairly balanced in practice; but you don't give strong evidence of that on here.

And this idea you have that Apple is some kind of cult is just...well I don't know what it is... patronising certainly; insulting....
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Okay Cerebus, so the term cult-like following is totally foreign to you?

If ever there was a company that got this right it is Apple. The have created the Apple Cult. Devotees will fight to protect it. Devotees will try to convert others to become members. No other tech company has it like Apple. Jobs got that right.

And as I said, that makes these Apple devotees stand out. As an outspoken Christian you of all people here should understand this. But you prefer to play both sides as it suits your ego on here.

If you never read me write ANYTHING positive on here about Apple then it shows how you pick and choose your reading, and how you read what I write with a preset mindset.

There is much about Apple I appreciate, and in my cult days I wrote enough about that on here. BTW this reply is typed on an iPad Mini. I have however been liberated from the cult with the help of forumites like Elimentals who took me on and challenged me. I realised that I could only be truthful if I give Android a full fair go.

It didn't start off well. I hated Honeycomb like no tomorrow but Elimentals and others convinced me to root and flash new roms. That started to change my views. It took Jelly Bean to finally convince me that there are better ways to do things and The shortcomings of Apple became very clear. I started to point these out. But then you and the rest of the sheeple started to attack me for committing the ultimate non-pardonable sin: Apple blasphemy.

I can live with that. I learned much. I even applied what I learned from this in my spiritual journey.

But Cerebus, you enjoy that Apple Velcro that holds you back. I've been liberated to enjoy 'em all ... but also to judge 'em all fairly.
 
I actually recall BeVonk! Being an Apple fanboy fairly well. It did surprised me to see him start having a go at them :D
 
sand_man said:
Bevonk! You still belong to the cult, just a different church.
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Well, then I'm now in the Cult of the Liberated Ones. I'm looking forward to see what RIM is going to do and if it is good I might get into that too. The thing is (bottom line): Apple lost the hold on me they once could bargain on. I now go to whomever offers the best solution for a particular need (even Apple). I actually hope RIM gives the others hell.
 
BeVonk! said:
Okay Cerebus, so the term cult-like following is totally foreign to you?

If ever there was a company that got this right it is Apple. The have created the Apple Cult. Devotees will fight to protect it. Devotees will try to convert others to become members. No other tech company has it like Apple. Jobs got that right.

And as I said, that makes these Apple devotees stand out. As an outspoken Christian you of all people here should understand this. But you prefer to play both sides as it suits your ego on here.

If you never read me write ANYTHING positive on here about Apple then it shows how you pick and choose your reading, and how you read what I write with a preset mindset.

There is much about Apple I appreciate, and in my cult days I wrote enough about that on here. BTW this reply is typed on an iPad Mini. I have however been liberated from the cult with the help of forumites like Elimentals who took me on and challenged me. I realised that I could only be truthful if I give Android a full fair go.

It didn't start off well. I hated Honeycomb like no tomorrow but Elimentals and others convinced me to root and flash new roms. That started to change my views. It took Jelly Bean to finally convince me that there are better ways to do things and The shortcomings of Apple became very clear. I started to point these out. But then you and the rest of the sheeple started to attack me for committing the ultimate non-pardonable sin: Apple blasphemy.

I can live with that. I learned much. I even applied what I learned from this in my spiritual journey.

But Cerebus, you enjoy that Apple Velcro that holds you back. I've been liberated to enjoy 'em all ... but also to judge 'em all fairly.
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So when you use Android you're giving it a 'full fair chance' and becoming liberated. When cerebus uses Android he's 'playing the field as it suits your ego'. Your doublespeak is laudable.

You've got a saviour complex bevonk. But there's no red sea here. We're just debating tech. Being disagreed with doesn't make your opponents cultic. Just as in any other field of debate; grouping them together in order to dismiss them out of hand is the refuge of the rhetorically incompetent.


I see AAPL is 458.27 as of this morning. I tried to tell my dad last night to buy some stock but he didn't want to hear anything about it.
 
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Hush9300 said:
My brother in law paid R6700 for his sealed iPhone 4S through Bid Or Buy in April last year.

It is not indicative of recommended retail price and hence I use carriers as a barometer.
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CA Cell is a proper store where you can physically walk in to buy a phone I don't use bid or buy as a barometer because then I could throw in Junkmail,gumtree or even carbonite.co.za which is better than both.

They are in sandton,give them a try sometime my friends that have bought from them were very happy with service etc.
 
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cerebus said:
And this idea you have that Apple is some kind of cult is just...well I don't know what it is... patronising certainly; insulting....
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You must just hate this website then I guess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.
Russell Belk argues that, like a religion, the Cult of Mac is a belief system that helps its followers understand technology and the world.[97] The attitude of Apple sympathizers and fans is viewed by many as being "cult-like".[98][99][100][101][102]
According to neurological research cited by the BBC on their "Secrets of the Superbrands" documentary, the response from the brain of an Apple enthusiast when viewing the brand-related symbols and imagery is similar to the one of a religious devotee when exposed to religious symbols and images.[96][103][104][105]
Apple founder Steve Jobs is compared to a god figure and savior, and his life story is said to resemble Joseph Campbell's heroic adventure myths. Jobs was often viewed as a saintly figure to Mac users.[97]
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falcon786 said:
Hush9300 said:
My brother in law paid R6700 for his sealed iPhone 4S through Bid Or Buy in April last year.

It is not indicative of recommended retail price and hence I use carriers as a barometer.
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CA Cell is a proper store where you can physically walk in to buy a phone I don't use bid or buy as a barometer because then I could throw in Junkmail,gumtree or even carbonite.co.za which is better than both.

They are in sandton,give them a try sometime my friends that have bought from them were very happy with service etc.
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I understand. The reason why I threw bid or buy in there was in response to your free market society comment.

Anyway, I think Samsung's financial results dispel the theory that they don't have huge margins on their high end phones. It's pretty close to Apple levels.

And I'll give CaCell a try when I'm in the market for tech again.
 
JStrike said:
It would make me respect Even Williams (He created it with someone who I forget) even more.
Actually, he deserves massive respect in any case. If he can get Obama to use it, then even more respect
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Obama uses a blackberry,you must really really respect BB enough to use it then because I mean its the best if Obama uses it. :rolleyes:

That was sarcasm btw,but you get my point.
 
Hush9300 said:
I understand. The reason why I threw bid or buy in there was in response to your free market society comment.

Anyway, I think Samsung's financial results dispel the theory that they don't have huge margins on their high end phones. It's pretty close to Apple levels.

And I'll give CaCell a try when I'm in the market for tech again.
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;)
 
falcon786 said:
The reality is people in a cult don't know that they are in a cult,so they will always deny it even to themselves.
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Well thank goodness they have people, such as yourself, to save them. Have you considered maybe banding together, putting on nice suits, and handing out newsletters and flyers door to door?
 
Hush9300 said:
I understand. The reason why I threw bid or buy in there was in response to your free market society comment.

Anyway, I think Samsung's financial results dispel the theory that they don't have huge margins on their high end phones. It's pretty close to Apple levels.

And I'll give CaCell a try when I'm in the market for tech again.
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Those "Samsung's financial results", are they exclusively the Samsung phones or include everything else samsung sells?
 
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cerebus said:
I think you're off the mark on the whole cult analogy to begin with but I can't seem to get that across.
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I didn't bring that up,but I have to say those that did made a very compelling case of it complete with wikipedia links etc to back it up.

And "cult of mac" even having a website etc speaks volumes of this phenomena.Do you visit there often?
 
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