Apple must let iPhone users remove pre-installed apps, new law proposes

backstreetboy said:
At least I can change the default of most apps.
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I mean, link and apphandles have been supported since forever for their defaults and now for defacto apps we can choose email and browser suites, not like there's a need to change dialer, SMS and such since they're extendable anyways and the rest are utter garbage spyware powerhouses, but then again you're right technically on the front that it's less choice for said apps and the browsers are all Safari wrappers.
 
An anti-trust is the Google Playstore with all the malware........
 
eg2505 said:
this,
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Not really an argument anymore as I've mentioned, you can set the default app handlers for everything these days and only with the exception of the stock standard utility apps (which are great and extendable anyway) it's on parity since you don't have to be burdened with unwanted apps in most cases if your Android for whatever reason can't be cleaned.
 
system32 said:
It was Apple's device until they sold it to you.
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Technically the same logic can be applied to practically everything else where change of ownership is the key factor, pastel accounting should provide source code for me to completely change the user layout, mercedes shouldn't void my warranty just because I changed the steering wheel for a bmw one. The list can get long.
 
Crumbl0x said:
Not really an argument anymore as I've mentioned, you can set the default app handlers for everything these days and only with the exception of the stock standard utility apps (which are great and extendable anyway) it's on parity since you don't have to be burdened with unwanted apps in most cases if your Android for whatever reason can't be cleaned.
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They even made it easy for devs not to worry if a user isn't on an Apple device.
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Mystic Twilight said:
Technically the same logic can be applied to practically everything else where change of ownership is the key factor, pastel accounting should provide source code for me to completely change the user layout, mercedes shouldn't void my warranty just because I changed the steering wheel for a bmw one. The list can get long.
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Well you don't 'own' Pastel. Your other point about warrenty is also huge and a major aspect for right to repair.
 
DA-LION-619 said:
Well you don't 'own' Pastel. Your other point about warrenty is also huge and a major aspect for right to repair.
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Equally you don't "own" apple when you buy a iphone, before the whole subscription model became a thing, back in the 90's and a bit into 2k copies of software on cd with individual license keys were sold as physical units that were owned (it does become a grey area as you own the physical unit, but you didn't own the intellectual property behind it). An argument could be made that the contents on those cd's should be allowed to be altered by the owner (end user). It's only become more prevalent that software is distributed under license with a right to use when downloading programs became more practical when isdn/adsl came around instead of using 56k modems.
 
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Mystic Twilight said:
Equally you don't "own" apple when you buy a iphone, before the whole subscription model became a thing, back in the 90's and a bit into 2k copies of software on cd with individual license keys were sold as physical units that were owned (it does become a grey area as you own the physical unit, but you didn't own the intellectual property behind it). An argument could be made that the contents on those cd's should be allowed to be altered by the owner (end user). It's only become more prevalent that software is distributed under license with a right to use when downloading programs became more practical when isdn/adsl came around instead of using 56k modems.
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I can buy an iPhone, I can spray paint it and jailbreak it then resell it because I own it.

Only the delivery medium has changed with software, you had a physical disc and a license key.
You can’t make the argument that you should be allowed to edit it, because that disc is read-only.
You could resell the license, because the disc is irrelevant you don’t own the content on it. Modifying it doesn’t make it your content and also the license isn’t for your modified version.

Subscription models are a bit more complex since they typically don’t allow resale since you can just cancel.
Also there the delivery has changed, Netflix used to do DVDs in the mail and now they do it over the internet.
 
Crumbl0x said:
yeah, iOS devices already release from the factory as the cleanest experience you can find and almost all its apps can be removed these days that aren't quintessential. I always found it odd that people seem to attack this more (I do support other aspects of these kinds of bills like more third party choice) and not literal hodgepodges from Android OEMs and Windows.
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It's those they regard as "quintessential" that are the problem. Android is more of an ecosystem with various vendors. Some play nicely by the rules and some don't but I don't see them not being attacked equally.

Vorastra said:
As an experience that you agreed with when you bought it.
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Don't really have a choice.

Mystic Twilight said:
Technically the same logic can be applied to practically everything else where change of ownership is the key factor, pastel accounting should provide source code for me to completely change the user layout, mercedes shouldn't void my warranty just because I changed the steering wheel for a bmw one. The list can get long.
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No but if they allow you to add modules they should allow you to add any module you wish. As for the last part you know we have been moving in that direction? All basic guarantees have to be provided so that you can make any modification that doesn't directly impact the working and they have to honour it.
 
I wish vendors did the same for Android. I still see Vodacom branding on my mom's smartphone, when starting up, and the apps. Cannot remove. Thankfully, my LG G3 back then had no such apps pre-installed, I reverted the boot animation back to "stock" (without root! :-) ), removing the dreaded "Vodacom" boot animation.
 
DrJohnZoidberg said:
A lot of Android phones. The worst is having Facebook preinstalled and you cannot remove it, why????
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This x10

why the **** must I have Facebook on my phone when I don’t want it? It also seems to have the annoying habit of reactivating itself after a force close…
 
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