Apple taking on the world

BruceA said:
Wow, another Apple hater!

Apple sued Samsung because they are the biggest manufacturer of Android phones. Win against the biggest, and the smaller companies will roll over very quickly. Despite all the patent talk, what Apple are really objecting to was Samsung blatantly copying the iPhone design back in 2007, and marketing their phones as iPhone alternatives through the carriers in the US that didn't have the original iPhone.
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Wow another iSheep!!

This has been debated to death, and the fact is that the Andriod phones are not clones of the iphone. The only reason a fraction of the population believe it is, is due to apple telling them it is. I invite you to have a look at the underwhelming support apple has in the world. As example have a look at a non technical site that has likes/dislike features in its forum

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2196841/Now-Apple-targets-Samsungs-flagship-smartphone-list-21-infringing-products.html
 
HBee said:
Wow another iSheep!!

This has been debated to death, and the fact is that the Andriod phones are not clones of the iphone. The only reason a fraction of the population believe it is, is due to apple telling them it is. I invite you to have a look at the underwhelming support apple has in the world. As example have a look at a non technical site that has likes/dislike features in its forum

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2196841/Now-Apple-targets-Samsungs-flagship-smartphone-list-21-infringing-products.html
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Some history.
 
Jola said:
Those are FRAND patents, and Apple are obliged to pay royalties.

They have refused to do so, and IMO all iPhone 5 shipments should be indicted.
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I think you have the story backwards: Apple approached Samsung with a proposal for a licensing fee, but Samsung declined that offer, which could result in another case of intentionally trying to hamper competition!
 
Jola said:
Come on, SJ had fights with everyone, even his own management and board. He was even fired from his own company at one stage because he was such an unpleasant character. Go and read it up.

You need rose-tinted glasses to believe some of the shyte that gets published.
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SJ had fights with everyone and was generally an unpleasant and arrogant and tantrumy fellow. No argument here. He was also a genius, but that's aside the asides. It still doesn't change anything about this history, and I remember it all unfolding. Google and Apple were in bed together at one point, and Google was 'noncompetitive' with Apple in a direct sense. That all changed right about the time they bought Android and then totally redid the UI to resemble the iPhone. Them's the facts.
 
Maybe, and no different to Apples theft of the name of the Beatles' music company. Fortunately they ended up paying USD500 million for that breach of contract / theft, which was a lot of money in those days.

Apple have never been angels - and they were quite available for idea theft, SJ even admitted that.
 
Jola said:
Maybe, and no different to Apples theft of the name of the Beatles' music company. Fortunately they ended up paying USD500 million for that breach of contract / theft, which was a lot of money in those days.

Apple have never been angels - and they were quite available for idea theft, SJ even admitted that.
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So now all of a sudden you admit that Android did rip off the iPhone?
 
cerebus said:
So now all of a sudden you admit that Android did rip off the iPhone?
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Nope. Just saying that Apple has never been an ethical company.

They were only allowed to use the word "Apple" in their name under condition that they never became involved in the music business. This after a major court case between Apple Music and Apple computer.

Of course, they blatantly shredded that agreement !
 
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So, history then reflects that others could also do some Jobs "magic" ... he got some of his own medicine and then wanted to go thermonuclear ... "How can anyone dare copy my behaviour and tactics?!"

I genuinely lost my respect for Jobs. It started when I read iWoz where I started to see the real Steve Jobs. The biography sealed it for me. He desperately wanted to be known/acknowledged as a genius ... and wanted his face on Time magazine as proof thereof ... but I often wonder if he really played such a big role in the successes achieved (taking credit away from the geniuses that worked for him). Would Apple be the same without Ives? Isn't he the real "power" behind Apple's success?
 
HBee said:
Wow another iSheep!!

This has been debated to death, and the fact is that the Andriod phones are not clones of the iphone. The only reason a fraction of the population believe it is, is due to apple telling them it is. I invite you to have a look at the underwhelming support apple has in the world. As example have a look at a non technical site that has likes/dislike features in its forum

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2196841/Now-Apple-targets-Samsungs-flagship-smartphone-list-21-infringing-products.html
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So you really believe that that it's coincidence that the first Android phone, which was being developed as a BB style keyboard phone, suddenly morphed into a touchscreen phone just a couple of months after the iPhone launched?
 
cerebus said:
SJ had fights with everyone and was generally an unpleasant and arrogant and tantrumy fellow. No argument here. He was also a genius, but that's aside the asides. It still doesn't change anything about this history, and I remember it all unfolding. Google and Apple were in bed together at one point, and Google was 'noncompetitive' with Apple in a direct sense. That all changed right about the time they bought Android and then totally redid the UI to resemble the iPhone. Them's the facts.
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Actually they had both UI's RIM's BB and the current Icon grid (supposed iPhone Look)

OEM's decided to go with the Icon grid instead of the BB copy for touch screen phones, so originally you should blame HTC then for going that route on the Dream.
 
So, history then reflects that others could also do some Jobs "magic" ... he got some of his own medicine and then wanted to go thermonuclear ... "How can anyone dare copy my behaviour and tactics?!"
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But would you describe Google's actions as honest and transparent? Would you say that Android was not the result of their intimate relationship with Apple, and their uniquely privileged insight into the iPhone's development?
 
Jola said:
Maybe, and no different to Apples theft of the name of the Beatles' music company. Fortunately they ended up paying USD500 million for that breach of contract / theft, which was a lot of money in those days.

Apple have never been angels - and they were quite available for idea theft, SJ even admitted that.
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They paid X amount for the trademark rights but, since the terms of the agreement have never been disclosed, the amount they paid is anyone's guess.
 
cerebus said:
But would you describe Google's actions as honest and transparent? Would you say that Android was not the result of their intimate relationship with Apple, and their uniquely privileged insight into the iPhone's development?
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Andy Ruben = Android ... which happened before Google bought it. Android's birth happened outside of Google. Apple could have bought Android before anyone got their hands on it to prevent the current situation ... but history now states that Google saw the power of Android and bought it first.
 
BeVonk! said:
Andy Ruben = Android ... which happened before Google bought it. Android's birth happened outside of Google. Apple could have bought Android before anyone got their hands on it to prevent the current situation ... but history now states that Google saw the power of Android and bought it first.
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Still not answering the question.

Anyway, suit yourself. I'm absolutely more than happy to acknowledge Jobs's and Apple's failings in this whole scenario. I just don't get why you can't do the same.
 
Android, Inc. was founded in Palo Alto, California, United States in October 2003 by Andy Rubin (co-founder of Danger), Rich Miner (co-founder of Wildfire Communications, Inc.), Nick Sears[20] (once VP at T-Mobile), and Chris White (headed design and interface development at WebTV) to develop, in Rubin's words "...smarter mobile devices that are more aware of its owner's location and preferences". Despite the obvious past accomplishments of the founders and early employees, Android Inc. operated secretly, revealing only that it was working on software for mobile phones. That same year, Rubin ran out of money. Steve Perlman, a close friend of Rubin, brought him $10,000 in cash in an envelope and refused a stake in the company.

Google acquired Android Inc. on August 17, 2005, making Android Inc. a wholly owned subsidiary of Google. Key employees of Android Inc., including Andy Rubin, Rich Miner and Chris White, stayed at the company after the acquisition. Not much was known about Android Inc. at the time of the acquisition, but many assumed that Google was planning to enter the mobile phone market with this move.

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(from Wikipedia)
 
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