Are SA Steam users breaking the law?

It's clear that this chop had no idea what he was being asked about, I mean come on a steam game at customs? hu? lol

However another thing that I found strange was when he spoke of how the fpb ratings are more focused on our society and cultures and how ESRB & PEGI don't mean squat here.

What he's actually then trying to say is our society and culture is so rotten to the core that nothing shocks us anymore. Because the last 3 games I bought that had PEGI18 or ESRB +17 on, had a fpb12 sticker pasted over it.

I personally think this entire fpb thing is a hocks a way to create more jobs that tax payers probably end up paying for. Cause let's face it these guys aren't actually skilled at there jobs... steam game at customs please. :wtf:
 
I suppose customs have since been informed to expect a Steam boat loaded with digital content to arrive at Durban next week.
 
There are like 6 titles available on Xbox Live South Africa because our rating department cannot keep up, ie too busy watching youtube all day.
 
There are like 6 titles available on Xbox Live South Africa because our rating department cannot keep up, ie too busy watching youtube all day.

I think the idea for this interview comes from that.

When Xbox Live SA launched here we had a very empty marketplace with only a few games and DLC available for download. Microsoft stated that the reason for this is that the FPB first had to rate all the content before it could be placed on the Marketplace.

That is ludicrous and I have queried this a few times and asked if the FPB literally sits down and rates new DLC like CoD maps. It seems from this interview that they are considering this. The interviewer should have asked how do they do it currently if the game is not being played or are they playing it themselves.

The funny thing is that all you have to do is register a UK or US Xbox Live account and all this content appears and is available for download.

People with Xbox's and PS3's who want to download Rockband and Guitar Hero DLC will know that our offerings are very scarce due to the sharks at RISA not allowing it because they also want their finger in that pie.

The FPB should be abolished and we should just adopt recognised international rating systems. (Just not Germany or Australians')
 
Next they're going to be seezing your porn downloads....

Well, with this new .xxx domain, it will be easy to track, lol! :D

Oh Crap. Thats why 'm struggling to download my games. They're stuck in CUSTOMS! :wtf:

So, you mean, all these time we've been blaming our ISPs, Telkom or the "new moon" for slow downloads, it has actually been Customs & Excise's fault?

:D

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My understanding is that importation of anything not actually illegal for personal use is entirely legal. It's a different matter if you are importing for the purposes of sale or showing to the public. Things may of course get into a bit of a grey area with ISPs because they are often not viewed as being the same as the postal service.

Why do we even need a local classifications board when the games have already been classified by more competent overseas organisations? You see up to three different age restrictions when you buy a packaged game in SA.
Who decides which overseas organisation is more competent? Perhaps we should use Germany's or maybe it should be Australia's.

I see numerous ratings on region 2 DVDs, which makes perfects sense because a particular release version is typically targeted at several countries, so they'll print the ratings for each on the packaging and disc.

I don't know why you guys are complaining about the FPB. I'd say in general they've been quite liberal and their ratings are pretty sensible. Then again maybe many of you are too young to remember the religious nutters we had in the bad old days. There have been some disturbing religious-type statements from the FPB in the recent past, which may be an indication of a disturbing trend, bu so far they haven't demonstrated themselves to be as barking mad as those they replaced.

When Xbox Live SA launched here we had a very empty marketplace with only a few games and DLC available for download. Microsoft stated that the reason for this is that the FPB first had to rate all the content before it could be placed on the Marketplace.
Frankly that is entirely Microsoft's fault. It demonstrates extremely poor planning on their part. In the US, UK, Australia and so on they would have had to get what they wanted to sell checked and rated. It's Microsoft that is responsible for endlessly delaying launching an SA Xbox Live, and it is they that failed to get all the products rated before launching. If they had done the launch sooner there would have been less to rate and the new products could have been rated as they came out.

Microsoft is also solely responsible for overcharging South Africans for Xbox Live.

That is ludicrous and I have queried this a few times and asked if the FPB literally sits down and rates new DLC like CoD maps.
Why not, certainly some other countries seem to do this?

The funny thing is that all you have to do is register a UK or US Xbox Live account and all this content appears and is available for download.
No it doesn't and that has been part of the reason for continued calls for an SA Xbox Live.

People with Xbox's and PS3's who want to download Rockband and Guitar Hero DLC will know that our offerings are very scarce due to the sharks at RISA not allowing it because they also want their finger in that pie.
So it's OK for the music mafia overseas to operate their extortion racket, but suddenly the racket's a bad thing if it is happening in South Africa. And you're telling me they did not have to sort this convoluted mess out in each country?

The FPB should be abolished and we should just adopt recognised international rating systems. (Just not Germany or Australians')
Why not Germany or Australia? Their retarded rating system not good enough for us? So now we're going to need an organisation that figures out which overseas rating to use and keep re-assessing the choice to make sure they haven't suffered major brain damage and become Australian or German.

There are like 6 titles available on Xbox Live South Africa because our rating department cannot keep up, ie too busy watching youtube all day.
Did Microsoft allow enough time? They're solely to blame for waiting so long. Maybe the local guys can't keep up because the clowns at Microsoft left this for years allowing material to build up and on top of that did not arrange rating assessment in good time.
 
@ Noxibox:

I am just going to answer the Xbox related points.

1. If you register a UK or US account you certainly have more DLC available. Go try downloading Breach or any other game that is not available on our marketplace from an international account. It works perfectly. More recently we could not rank up in Homefront MP as our codes to play MP does not work on SA accounts, but change it to a international account it miraculously works. The only DLC we have had problems with in the past is Gears maps, CoD maps and some games banned in Germany like Doom. But we all downloaded it in any event using VPN's. I paid R365.00 for my 12 month gold subs from a local games company.http://www.cheapcodes.co.za/13-xbox-360-live-12-month-gold-worldwide-subscription.html

2. Regarding RISA: The game developers pay the record labels a licensing fee for the songs. Why do RISA also want a slice of the pie?

3. Do you really think Bungie sends their new Halo map packs to our FPB to rate it? I unfortunately doubt that but will concede the point if they do it.

4. No we don't need an organisation to decide which rating system to use. That is a once off decision that can be done by the present FPB before they are abolished.

I remember the FPB during apartheid and thus I have no time for them and feel they serve no purpose in our society. They are just another vehicle for censorship and we have enough other laws in place to ensure that no child pornography etc is distributed.
 
I assume Youtube is totally illegal then? This does not bode well for the Google Cache Servers in South Africa :-)

Yes, technically it is. According to the recent Film and Publications Act amendment you are required to submit each and every video you submit to video sharing sites that can be viewed in South Africa for examination and classification at a fee of R1500. Technically, if you publish a website locally that serves "moving images" you're supposed to get each and every "moving image" examined and classified at a fee of R1500 - I'm not making this up - it's in the act.

Obviously, this is a totally ridiculous law made by morons who have no understanding of the Internet, yet it does exist even though they have made no attempt to enforce it, and probably would have no clue how to.
 
I assume Youtube is totally illegal then? This does not bode well for the Google Cache Servers in South Africa :-)

+1

took the word right from my mouth :-D
 
Why bring it to their attention?

MyGaming has now brought Steam to the FPB's attention. Tomorrow when Steam gets blocked, MyGaming will be the first to complain. Just STFU and enjoy what little privileges we have. This is why we can't have nice things.
 
MyGaming has now brought Steam to the FPB's attention. Tomorrow when Steam gets blocked, MyGaming will be the first to complain. Just STFU and enjoy what little privileges we have. This is why we can't have nice things.

Well, there's going to be little problem with that since Steam is required for activation of physical copies of games sold in the stores here. Doing that would be boneheaded, to put it mildly.
 
thank you employment equity/affirmative action. you got the job, but do you know what you're doing? Idiot!
 
Fire everybody at the Film and Publications Board and just adopt international ratings. Viola, money saved and a more efficient system.

Besides, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it due to these jokers that we can't access the Games category on the local iTunes store?!
 
MyGaming has now brought Steam to the FPB's attention. Tomorrow when Steam gets blocked, MyGaming will be the first to complain. Just STFU and enjoy what little privileges we have. This is why we can't have nice things.

+1000

My thoughts exactly!! :cry:
 
Best they be careful, they may just go and lay a charge with the police against Steam, like Malema's wanted to do same with Twitter
 
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