eltherza
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Anyone who did well in maths and physics has varsity route to go, and IMO varsity is alot better than army, and has more of a future.
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Army 'needs more white people'
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Merlin
Expert Member
5 years ago I was turned down by the Navy...I'm White.
Yes, I capitalize the 'W' because ZA insists on classing me.
I refuse to join a military force simply due to colour, and to then be treated unfairly because I am White.
Likewise, I turned down a career with the UK Army because I would have to serve a minimum of 4.5 yrs and it would not count AT ALL towards me getting UK citizenship.
I'm not about top risk my neck for a country that would refuse me entry after nearly 5 years of duty.
I'd also be discounted from studying certain things within the UK army, certain positions, and would have to fend for myself for up to a year in the UK before entry without a work permit.
Slightly off-topic, but it goes to show the politics involved with armed forces these days.
Yes, I capitalize the 'W' because ZA insists on classing me.
I refuse to join a military force simply due to colour, and to then be treated unfairly because I am White.
Likewise, I turned down a career with the UK Army because I would have to serve a minimum of 4.5 yrs and it would not count AT ALL towards me getting UK citizenship.
I'm not about top risk my neck for a country that would refuse me entry after nearly 5 years of duty.
I'd also be discounted from studying certain things within the UK army, certain positions, and would have to fend for myself for up to a year in the UK before entry without a work permit.
Slightly off-topic, but it goes to show the politics involved with armed forces these days.
Pitbull
Verboten
U have it slightly wrong there.
You serve your basic time, once completed you are given the option to stay on perm. If you opt to take that, you become a citizen by default. My cousin did this, he refused to stay on perm. He then signed up for the French Legion. He's living a very nice life. But no wife no kids. According to him that is life. I don't think so
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Skeptik
Banned
I can't understand how you would consider joining the UK army. You would really go and risk your neck for the UK just for a passport. If you were of UK origin, maybe I could understand it, but as a SA citizen, I would say that's just opportunistic/leeching.
Merlin
Expert Member
Pitbull,
It might have helped if any one of the HORDES of officers I've spoken to would have mentioned that.
Skpetik,
You have me wrong.
I wanted - and still would - [to] join the army out of my own free will.
I think the lifestyle would suit my personality, and I think I'd really enjoy it.
Given the choice, I would have volunteered for active duty.
I did NOT want to join for a passport at the end. I wanted to join for the above reasons.
BUT!
...I won't give my Life, and 5 years of my time, to a country that would refuse me the same opportunities UK citizens have [in the army], and then discard my 5 years of service without a thought.
I wouldn't/won't join the locals for obvious reasons.
N.
It might have helped if any one of the HORDES of officers I've spoken to would have mentioned that.
Skpetik,
You have me wrong.
I wanted - and still would - [to] join the army out of my own free will.
I think the lifestyle would suit my personality, and I think I'd really enjoy it.
Given the choice, I would have volunteered for active duty.
I did NOT want to join for a passport at the end. I wanted to join for the above reasons.
BUT!
...I won't give my Life, and 5 years of my time, to a country that would refuse me the same opportunities UK citizens have [in the army], and then discard my 5 years of service without a thought.
I wouldn't/won't join the locals for obvious reasons.
N.
HavocXphere
Honorary Master
I know a dude that had that exact attitude and wanted to make the military his career. Then the German army sent him to Afghanistan for 2 years. Now he's not interest anymore.
Pitbull
Verboten
Pitbull,
It might have helped if any one of the HORDES of officers I've spoken to would have mentioned that.
Skpetik,
You have me wrong.
I wanted - and still would - [to] join the army out of my own free will.
I think the lifestyle would suit my personality, and I think I'd really enjoy it.
Given the choice, I would have volunteered for active duty.
I did NOT want to join for a passport at the end. I wanted to join for the above reasons.
BUT!
...I won't give my Life, and 5 years of my time, to a country that would refuse me the same opportunities UK citizens have [in the army], and then discard my 5 years of service without a thought.
I wouldn't/won't join the locals for obvious reasons.
N.
Wasn't trying to shoot you down, just let you know of what my cousin went thru. Best is. If you really want to join an Elite force cut the hassle and go to the French Legion. Those guys are the elite of the elite
I'll search for some info for you
IMO the Bundeswehr is a bit superior to the SANDF.
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What do they do in the Army these days?
It was pretty boring back when I did National Service.
Hurry up and wait, was the motto.
It is one thing to be in an Army in times of Peace, but another when War breaks out.
Would you want to join the Army if this was the First or Second World War? I seriously doubt that people willingly joined the army out of their own free will back then. It was a case of Conscription, a belief in perhaps doing it for your country mixed with a bit of propaganda, but in the end Millions of men died like flies during the two great Wars of the last Century.
If I had a list of Careers I would want to do I think belonging to the SANDF would be at the bottom of that list whether I was white, black, pink or indifferent.
I think there was a brief period after doing my Basic Training I felt proud of my Uniform, probably because I really did look good all kitted out and as fit as a fiddle to boot. But that moment didn't last as the two years dragged on and on and all I wanted to do was get on with my life as I had very little money and my wife (girlfriend then) was barely coping to pay all the bills back home. And it really sucked trying to hitch-hike from Gauteng to Cape Town and back once a month for a long weekend.
I could tell you stories of all the rides I got. Another day perhaps.
It was pretty boring back when I did National Service.
Hurry up and wait, was the motto.
It is one thing to be in an Army in times of Peace, but another when War breaks out.
Would you want to join the Army if this was the First or Second World War? I seriously doubt that people willingly joined the army out of their own free will back then. It was a case of Conscription, a belief in perhaps doing it for your country mixed with a bit of propaganda, but in the end Millions of men died like flies during the two great Wars of the last Century.
If I had a list of Careers I would want to do I think belonging to the SANDF would be at the bottom of that list whether I was white, black, pink or indifferent.
I think there was a brief period after doing my Basic Training I felt proud of my Uniform, probably because I really did look good all kitted out and as fit as a fiddle to boot. But that moment didn't last as the two years dragged on and on and all I wanted to do was get on with my life as I had very little money and my wife (girlfriend then) was barely coping to pay all the bills back home. And it really sucked trying to hitch-hike from Gauteng to Cape Town and back once a month for a long weekend.
I could tell you stories of all the rides I got. Another day perhaps.
What do they do in the Army these days?
It was pretty boring back when I did National Service.
Hurry up and wait, was the motto.
It is one thing to be in an Army in times of Peace, but another when War breaks out.
Would you want to join the Army if this was the First or Second World War? I seriously doubt that people willingly joined the army out of their own free will back then.
In World War 1 millions of Britains volenteed IIRC
Just wondering - does the SANDF have any tanks left ?
Would be super to ride around in a Olifant Mk 2
LOL sitting on bricks
Pitbull
Verboten
Pitbull,
It might have helped if any one of the HORDES of officers I've spoken to would have mentioned that.
Skpetik,
You have me wrong.
I wanted - and still would - [to] join the army out of my own free will.
I think the lifestyle would suit my personality, and I think I'd really enjoy it.
Given the choice, I would have volunteered for active duty.
I did NOT want to join for a passport at the end. I wanted to join for the above reasons.
BUT!
...I won't give my Life, and 5 years of my time, to a country that would refuse me the same opportunities UK citizens have [in the army], and then discard my 5 years of service without a thought.
I wouldn't/won't join the locals for obvious reasons.
N.
FAQ's French Legion
Doubt you'll find more info than this. And Good luck mate.
/I think the force is strong with this one
AFAIK if you have a US green card , you can serve in the US Armed Forces.
Go for the USMC - they are the best
Merlin
Expert Member
Shot Pitbull.
As for volunteering, I have my reasons, and as they say, different strokes...
I have a friend who joined the German Army after my little debacle. He's Loving it, and has adventures to tell his grandchildren one day.
For some it's a calling, other's favour the Lifestyle and what it gives, and others are thrillseekers of a different kind. Me? A little of some, and more of others.
No Green Card...ZA passport...doodle away.
Would you REALLY want to fight for Bush?
N.
As for volunteering, I have my reasons, and as they say, different strokes...
I have a friend who joined the German Army after my little debacle. He's Loving it, and has adventures to tell his grandchildren one day.
For some it's a calling, other's favour the Lifestyle and what it gives, and others are thrillseekers of a different kind. Me? A little of some, and more of others.
No Green Card...ZA passport...doodle away.
Would you REALLY want to fight for Bush?
N.
Pitbull
Verboten
Shot Pitbull.
As for volunteering, I have my reasons, and as they say, different strokes...
I have a friend who joined the German Army after my little debacle. He's Loving it, and has adventures to tell his grandchildren one day.
For some it's a calling, other's favour the Lifestyle and what it gives, and others are thrillseekers of a different kind. Me? A little of some, and more of others.
No Green Card...ZA passport...doodle away.
Would you REALLY want to fight for Bush?
N.
All you need to join the FFL is a entry Visa, and be able to run 2800m in 12 minutes, the rest is just normal things
I dont see that pride anymore in this country?
@alan85
I get your point.
Need to get my facts right.
As your attachments suggest, in WWI there was an enormous amount of pride amongst the men/people to fight for their country. I don't see it here and I doubt we would see that enthusiasm in this country for people to join the Army.
A different era of people and circumstances and there is no War and heaven forbid we do have one.
Those were tough times back then. For many a job in the Army would bring home some bacon and perhaps kill a few of the enemy in the process.
I don't think many people nowadays realise what it must have taken to live during those times. Money was scarce and if you needed to eat then in many cases you grew vegetables and kept livestock to slaughter. Property was worthless and the more property you did own just meant more hard work.
I had the pleasure as a young boy to know some of my late Grandfather's sisters and brothers that were born before WWI and let me tell you I doubt people nowadays would comprehend what hardships those people had to endure living through all those Wars and don't forget The Great Depression.
One story always sticks in my mind about my My Great Uncle (born circa 1897). The family were so poor after the War, my Great Uncle with not a cent to his name climbed on a train from Cape Town to Springbok and walked from Springbok to Oranjemund or thereabouts in the hope of finding work on The Diamond Mines.
@alan85
I get your point.
Need to get my facts right.
As your attachments suggest, in WWI there was an enormous amount of pride amongst the men/people to fight for their country. I don't see it here and I doubt we would see that enthusiasm in this country for people to join the Army.
A different era of people and circumstances and there is no War and heaven forbid we do have one.
Those were tough times back then. For many a job in the Army would bring home some bacon and perhaps kill a few of the enemy in the process.
I don't think many people nowadays realise what it must have taken to live during those times. Money was scarce and if you needed to eat then in many cases you grew vegetables and kept livestock to slaughter. Property was worthless and the more property you did own just meant more hard work.
I had the pleasure as a young boy to know some of my late Grandfather's sisters and brothers that were born before WWI and let me tell you I doubt people nowadays would comprehend what hardships those people had to endure living through all those Wars and don't forget The Great Depression.
One story always sticks in my mind about my My Great Uncle (born circa 1897). The family were so poor after the War, my Great Uncle with not a cent to his name climbed on a train from Cape Town to Springbok and walked from Springbok to Oranjemund or thereabouts in the hope of finding work on The Diamond Mines.
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Shot Pitbull.
As for volunteering, I have my reasons, and as they say, different strokes...
I have a friend who joined the German Army after my little debacle. He's Loving it, and has adventures to tell his grandchildren one day.
For some it's a calling, other's favour the Lifestyle and what it gives, and others are thrillseekers of a different kind. Me? A little of some, and more of others.
No Green Card...ZA passport...doodle away.
Would you REALLY want to fight for Bush?
N.
The next US presidential elections are near ..
IMO the USMC is the best of the US Armed Forces (although technically part of the US Navy).
Organic armour , and air support assets + infantry makes the USMC the best.
Skeptik
Banned
I met someone once who was ex-FFL. Wow, the stories of how brutal that system is. He seemed to be a wreck after what they put him through. Maybe you should reconsider. Or maybe it has changed - I'm talking about the 90's now.