Article: Gauteng tolls too complex: DA

phoneJunky said:
Well, if you are close enough to a Gautrain station I am sure the toll rates will persuade you to take it now. I only used the Sandton - OR Tambo route so far, but it is fast, clean and safe. Hopefully the prices won't be to steep. Every important place I want to go to is within the feeder bus range from the various stations so I might give it a go. The only thing is that it seems it will be more expensive than initially planned.
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The train thing is just plain stupid. If you want to go from Marlboro to the airport you have to go via Sandton. There is no thought about what the passengers want, just what money they can get.
 
Albereth said:
The train thing is just plain stupid. If you want to go from Marlboro to the airport you have to go via Sandton. There is no thought about what the passengers want, just what money they can get.
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From Sadton to Marlobo is like three minutes. They couldn't just build the rails all over the place, they had to make due with the resources they had. You can't give every passenger what they want, but I do think that Sandton was the best option to split the Jhb-Pta route to go to the airport.
 
phoneJunky said:
From Sadton to Marlobo is like three minutes. They couldn't just build the rails all over the place, they had to make due with the resources they had. You can't give every passenger what they want, but I do think that Sandton was the best option to split the Jhb-Pta route to go to the airport.
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You do know that the train from Sandton to the airport stops at Marlboro, and that the train from the airport to Sandton also stops at Marlboro.

So why not allow people to get on at Marlboro and go to the airport.

As for it being 3 minutes - it's probably more like 10 minutes. (3 minutes to Sandton, wait, 3 minutes back to Marlboro).

And it consumes more energy moving that unecessary weight to Sandton and back.
 
Albereth said:
You do know that the train from Sandton to the airport stops at Marlboro, and that the train from the airport to Sandton also stops at Marlboro.

So why not allow people to get on at Marlboro and go to the airport.

As for it being 3 minutes - it's probably more like 10 minutes. (3 minutes to Sandton, wait, 3 minutes back to Marlboro).

And it consumes more energy moving that unecessary weight to Sandton and back.
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Oh, sorry I miss read your post. Hmm, that is stupid yes. I thought we picked them up along the way though, it is probably some billing issue. But it still takes less then 20 minutes then. How long is the drive from there to the airport in peak traffic? From Centurion I drive to the airport in 27 minutes, but I stay close to the R21 and I here traffic is quite bad on that side.
 
phoneJunky said:
Oh, sorry I miss read your post. Hmm, that is stupid yes. I thought we picked them up along the way though, it is probably some billing issue. But it still takes less then 20 minutes then. How long is the drive from there to the airport in peak traffic? From Centurion I drive to the airport in 27 minutes, but I stay close to the R21 and I here traffic is quite bad on that side.
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I think I fly fairly often and in the mornings I'll get to the boarding gate quicker if I drive. The afternoon is another story.

How it can be a billing problem depends on whether IBM, Accenture and Masana were involved. From the little I know it was done by a bunch of French folk (there is a link albeit obscure from the company that provided the trains to City Power).

They've make a big thing about know where you are in the system. So how can it be a problme to pick people up along the way? Well, seeing as it's about R20ish to Rhodesfield and R100ish to the airport there is a huge argument in explaining things to customers about the rip off rates.
 
Mila said:
Lovely. So I have to drive on the R21 then the R24, and I have no alternative.
I for once are going to encourage taxi's to burn tyres.
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Sorry to disappoint but taxis don't have to pay to mess up the toll roads.

But I will trust the taxi drivers to mess up the experience that will result in SANRAL repaying the fee they are charging for a pleasant driving experience.

I am pretty sure that there is an argument that SANRAL's exemption from tolls for certain classes of vehicles will justify a claim for any insurance excess payments should one of these exempt vehicle be involved in a collision.
 
Albereth said:
Sorry to disappoint but taxis don't have to pay to mess up the toll roads.

But I will trust the taxi drivers to mess up the experience that will result in SANRAL repaying the fee they are charging for a pleasant driving experience.

I am pretty sure that there is an argument that SANRAL's exemption from tolls for certain classes of vehicles will justify a claim for any insurance excess payments should one of these exempt vehicle be involved in a collision.
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I meant, sorry , that I hope they try to stop this in june. A strike like they did with the busses and everything else.... But it is true, they do not have to pay too mess up the roads. A taxi will pay 50% less, just to start with.
But I'm sure they will charge for it in anycase.

I just do not like that the government sold our highways and we do not have an alternative.
 
I wonder about the whole Rhodesfield station quite a few times. Shouldn't the airport be in the Rhodesfield feeder buses range? But yes, the R23 to R100 for a km further is a ripp off.
 
Mila said:
I meant, sorry , that I hope they try to stop this in june. A strike like they did with the busses and everything else.... But it is true, they do not have to pay too mess up the roads. A taxi will pay 50% less, just to start with.
But I'm sure they will charge for it in anycase.

I just do not like that the government sold our highways and we do not have an alternative.
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Hang on - I thought taxis would be exempt from toll fees completely. Not cheaper.

Dang - I'll have to follow murraybiscuit's advice and read some stuff. :D
 
phoneJunky said:
I wonder about the whole Rhodesfield station quite a few times. Shouldn't the airport be in the Rhodesfield feeder buses range? But yes, the R23 to R100 for a km further is a ripp off.
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If you designed a system to make the users happy, then yes. But if you design it to charge a premium on air travellers....

I wonder if SARS know that they have competition from this tax?
 
Kosmik said:
/me whistles thinking about his 15min commute to work in near nil traffic :D
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I also want a job that doesn't involve interaction with anyone.

I'll get to join more people taking the rat run - absolutely no need for me to go anywhere near a highway in the 3km commute. But I'll be waiting for colleagues and clients to make it in. I can see the effect day now being from 9.30 to 15.00.

Do you want to be a client?
 
Albereth said:
Hang on - I thought taxis would be exempt from toll fees completely. Not cheaper.

Dang - I'll have to follow murraybiscuit's advice and read some stuff. :D
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:D

A public transporter will pay 50% less if they have an e tag 25% on that less if they drive more than R1000 a month another reduction. They will do it for about nothing. :mad:

Kosmik said:
/me whistles thinking about his 15min commute to work in near nil traffic :D
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// turns bright green

// kicks in Kosmik's direction

MEH!!

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OzzieCapie said:
Just for reference the perspective of toll roads in Australia. It is not just a South African or an ANC issue.

From the outside looking in it doesn't take long before the govt is blamed or called incompetent for everything.

No one likes to pay road tolls, especially when travelling on highways always used to be free, but the reality is that govts will either not keep up with highway infrastructure or they will 'fast track' it with private/govt toll roads. It is done by all countries, and your tolls are amongst the lowest so be grateful for that.

As a comparison, from where I live in Sydney if I used freeway only from home, then to get to the city (or onward to airport) would be (heading east) would be two freeways, one tunnel and harbour bridge, total $13.62 (R100.00) for 39km or $0.35c (R2.56) per km.
Speed limits are variable between 80km-100km/h and in peak travel it would take you over an hour...yes even when you are paying for the privilege--yet still quicker than rat-runs with lots of traffic lights.

Heading southwest in opposite direction , one freeway only $6.92 (R51.00) for 34km or $0.20c (R1.50) per km but this not heading towards CBD or industrial areas for most people i.e to head to Canberra or south west suburbs only.

We all have e-Tags, even the casual driver, because at some stage you will need it. These e-Tags have a minimum auto top up amount of $50, so these companies are at any stage sitting on a deposit of $50 x hundreds of thousands. The e-Tags work on all the toll roads irrespective of who owns/manages it , even if you drive to Melbourne or Brisbane.

We also blame the govt btw....but the ANC can never ever be as incompetent as the NSW Labor govt that has been in power since 1995 (hopefully for only one month more). At the end of the day you choose between unreliable public transport, lots of stress in traffic jams and lights and less stress in slow moving freeway.

I will post it on the 'protest' thread too.
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Jo'burg metro has about 7 million people. Sydney has 4 million people. Sydney also has viable public transport. There is no decent public transport between Jo'burg and Pretoria. If we choose to use taxis, our lives are in danger from possible crime, reckless and negligent driving and vehicles that are literally falling apart. Comparing a first class city to a "developing city" as Jo'burg has no place in this argument. Sydney was voted one of the top 5 cities to live in - world wide.

The unemployment rate in Australia is a paltry 3% last time I checked. The unofficial unemployment rate is pushing 35% in SA. SAffers just cannot afford this toll route.

No one will ever be happy with their government. We tend to moan about everything, even when if it's the smallest of issues. The arguments here however hold a lot of water. If we take alternative routes, you land up spending more on petrol and maintenance of our vehicles. The risk of hitting potholes is much higher. Potholes on these roads are massive problem. When it rains, you cannot see them and if you hit one, you could lose a couple of tires.
 
Mila said:
:D

A public transporter will pay 50% less if they have an e tag 25% on that less if they drive more than R1000 a month another reduction. They will do it for about nothing. :mad:


// turns bright green

// kicks in Kosmik's direction

MEH!!

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/album.php?albumid=706&attachmentid=5973
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do you all know what is the negative thing of the sestym???all the money will still go for the govermant and there cars and the roads will still be up to **** :(:mad:
 
Garyvdh said:
You say that like there is a viable alternative. You do realise that the back roads do not have 4 lanes like the highways have?
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:wtf:do u have a car doesn't sound like it.......back roads can not take the highway load !!!!!!!!!
 
Mila said:
:D

A public transporter will pay 50% less if they have an e tag 25% on that less if they drive more than R1000 a month another reduction. They will do it for about nothing. :mad:
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Oh fun! Can you see a taxi forking out money in advance for an etag?
 
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