Article: Gauteng tolls too complex: DA

Well atleast the taxi's must be registered to qualify for the discount.
 
i don't know why i join this site....beceuse if all the peopel think like pitbull the world will be in big **** :wtf:
 
Albereth said:
Oh fun! Can you see a taxi forking out money in advance for an etag?
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I hope that we will see massive action by the taxis. This is one situation where their action may benefit us.
 
RJJ said:
i don't know why i join this site....beceuse if all the peopel think like pitbull the world will be in big **** :wtf:
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No, dude. He just said that there are alternatives. And there are. We will just have to adapt to the new tolling system. I recently went to check out the metro busses etc, and it seemed perfectly fine. It just takes more time to get to where you want. The tolling will just force more people to make use of public transport. There is already a lot of people at my work contemplating the bus, and a few are already taking the bus. But then again there is a bus that picks people up at the centurion bus and taxi stops that comes directly to my work, so it probably is more convenient to use public transport.
 
I am wondering about the knock on effects. Big business will pass the extra cost onto consumers. Consumers will be demanding higher wage increases. We're in for fun this year.
 
VJB 449 said:
I am wondering about the knock on effects. Big business will pass the extra cost onto consumers. Consumers will be demanding higher wage increases. We're in for fun this year.
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Ja, this is my biggest concern too. I can handle paying the tolls, but if my appels is going to be R4 more expensive etc, it might be too much for many families.
 
Can we get the DA to propose that charges are 50%(or even free between 11 and 2am,) after 19h00 and before 05h00 - thereby causing less traffic on congested times, and allowing my poor relatives the ability to come visit me before i join them on the poor list......

Would be lovely to see companies/and staff maybe seeing an advantage to work the opposite times. Also get Deliveries, and Big truck off the road during the day to night (not by making it illegal to drive between 16h00 and 17h00 - but to make it cheaper other times......

When do we talk about Prisons, and how there is NO Incentive for someone staying in a shack to NOT go there?!?
 
phoneJunky said:
Well atleast the taxi's must be registered to qualify for the discount.
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There is that.. but you under estimate TAXi’s and their owners ( drivers and owners differs ) :D

And like licenses they will not find a way to wangle out of it...
And speeding tickets and road worthiness.
No they comply completely

I want to know. What about the blue light brigade will they be fined for driving at high speeds or will this also be an exempt class?
 
The sad thing is that Pitbull's solution is probably the best solution to make a statement. Petitions and moaning etc will take years. If you grid-lock the back-roads for a month businesses will lose millions. But this will only really work if no one uses the N1 which will never happen...
 
phoneJunky said:
No, dude. He just said that there are alternatives. And there are. We will just have to adapt to the new tolling system. I recently went to check out the metro busses etc, and it seemed perfectly fine. It just takes more time to get to where you want. The tolling will just force more people to make use of public transport. There is already a lot of people at my work contemplating the bus, and a few are already taking the bus. But then again there is a bus that picks people up at the centurion bus and taxi stops that comes directly to my work, so it probably is more convenient to use public transport.
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Busses between Johannesburg and Pretoria? Metrobus does not provide this service. Who does?
 
VJB 449 said:
I am wondering about the knock on effects. Big business will pass the extra cost onto consumers. Consumers will be demanding higher wage increases. We're in for fun this year.
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Yep and never mind the logistics companies that actually move all the freight around. Someone said they would be paying close to R3/km.
 
All a knock on affect of the fact that SANRAIL is so screwed (The actual South African Rail services). If the trains were running like they used to there would be less trucks on the roads. In the past big distribution warehouses had railway tracks leading into their yards. But around 1997 they just stopped using them.
 
MaryJane said:
Busses between Johannesburg and Pretoria? Metrobus does not provide this service. Who does?
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I don't know to Johannesburg, but it runs from Pta to Centurion. I am sure there must be some services to and from Jhb.
 
Pitbull said:
Come on Gary. People drive these alternative routes DAILY!!!. You are trying to justify the alternative as not viable to yourself. You know that. There isn't 1 road between Johannesburg and Pretoria. Just of the top of my head I can name you 7. 7 roads not all single lane, but let's say 7 single lanes which in turn is actually more than the 4 on the N1 isn't it? O and that excludes the ones I don't know of. Come on mate, seriously, are you being this difficult on purpose? Because I know for a fact you are smarter than this.
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4 single lane roads is not the same as one road with 4 parallel lanes. Imagine you get stuck behind a truck on a single lane road doing 20 km/h. 1 km behind the truck, traffic would be at a standstill. Add in a few robots and it all translates into a nightmare.

Also, with the amount of congestion that the alternative routes are likely to take - how do you suppose that they would be able to afford constant maintenance on these roads? Maintenance translates into construction work, meaning that the single lane road is likely to be blocked for the duration of the repair, making the traffic even worse.

Waking up 30 minutes earlier to take an alternative route will therefore accomplish very little. In all likelihood, realistically you're looking at waking up 90-120 minutes earlier. So it's either wake up at 4:30am to get to work on time, or pay the exorbitant toll fees. Both options seem like very poor ones to me.

I personally think that property prices in Jhb are likely to soar as people look to start moving closer to work. If there was ever a good time to invest in property, I think it would be now.
 
Lupus said:
All a knock on affect of the fact that SANRAIL is so screwed (The actual South African Rail services). If the trains were running like they used to there would be less trucks on the roads. In the past big distribution warehouses had railway tracks leading into their yards. But around 1997 they just stopped using them.
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There is no such thing as SANRAIL.

There's Spoornet and PARSA.

The problem is that there are only so many railway lines, so when the economy flourished, the rail network was taxed, and poorly maintained - so companies started using road freight.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
4 single lane roads is not the same as one road with 4 parallel lanes. Imagine you get stuck behind a truck on a single lane road doing 20 km/h. 1 km behind the truck, traffic would be at a standstill. Add in a few robots and it all translates into a nightmare.

Also, with the amount of congestion that the alternative routes are likely to take - how do you suppose that they would be able to afford constant maintenance on these roads? Maintenance translates into construction work, meaning that the single lane road is likely to be blocked for the duration of the repair, making the traffic even worse.

Waking up 30 minutes earlier to take an alternative route will therefore accomplish very little. In all likelihood, realistically you're looking at waking up 90-120 minutes earlier. So it's either wake up at 4:30am to get to work on time, or pay the exorbitant toll fees. Both options seem like very poor ones to me.

I personally think that property prices in Jhb are likely to soar as people look to start moving closer to work. If there was ever a good time to invest in property, I think it would be now.
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I personally bought a house close to work and central to Pretoria and Jhb now I travel 10 min to work and I don't have to pay R600 per month on toll fees and I'm also saving about R600 on petrol. But I think employers must realize that if an employee can work from home they should encourage it. The whole 8-5 thing is so 20th century...
 
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