Article: Israel attacks barbaric: ANC

[marine1]

You are reaching.

No he isnt, its fact and the truth hurts

 

[marine1]

To the guys that are justifying the air raids currently going on, i have a few questions.

1 Gaza is the most densely populated area in the world and thus far 400 tonnes of bombs have rained down, how is there any precision ?

2. Is it not in Israels best interest to keep Gaza from building any infrastructure at all? Read here

3. The air raids that kill many innocents (woman and children) is akin to using a bazooka to kill a few roaches at home. You are going to hurt many of the residents.

The old argument of the fact that Hamas was elected doesn't hold true, Hamas is not a group of leaders but an aggressive force with ideology that spews hatred. However they have most of the arms and like most groups rule by fear. If asked most of the Gaza strip residents would probably go against Hamas, but would that fit in with the link in point 2 ??

What a retarded post.
Have you even seen the incredible precision used by Israel?
They stopped short of hitting a stronghold when women and kids were seen on top of the building.
Now what were they doing in this building? Oh right human shields
FFS how stupid are people? Stop attacking innocent Israeli citizens then Israel will stop launching airstrikes.

How many times have Hamas broken the ceasefires? Are you that blinded and stupid not to see whats going on or are you Muslim? There can be no other logical reason

 

[thestaggy]

To the guys that are justifying the air raids currently going on, i have a few questions.

1 Gaza is the most densely populated area in the world and thus far 400 tonnes of bombs have rained down, how is there any precision ?

2. Is it not in Israels best interest to keep Gaza from building any infrastructure at all? Read here

3. The air raids that kill many innocents (woman and children) is akin to using a bazooka to kill a few roaches at home. You are going to hurt many of the residents.

The old argument of the fact that Hamas was elected doesn't hold true, Hamas is not a group of leaders but an aggressive force with ideology that spews hatred. However they have most of the arms and like most groups rule by fear. If asked most of the Gaza strip residents would probably go against Hamas, but would that fit in with the link in point 2 ??

Hamas was legally voted into power. So yes, they do indeed represent the people of Gaza.

What would you deem to be an appropriate response from well equipped and highly developed armed forces? Israel only has bazookas, they don't have peashooters. Believe you me, if Israel wanted to wipe Gaza out they could, so they are containing themselves. Israel could probably level Gaza in a few hours if they desired.

 

[Cray]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10955613/Israel-air-strikes-on-Gaza-live.html

Inside the Fun Time Beach café on Gaza's Mediterranean shore, nine friends and siblings gathered around a portable television powered by a generator to watch Argentina take on Holland in the semi finals of the World Cup.

At 11.30pm, half an hour into the match, an Israeli missile blasted through the flimsy roof of the tumbledown structure to scatter the social gathering in bloody mayhem.

The strike killed Mohammed Fawana along with three sets of brothers – Ahmed and Suleiman Astal, 18 and 16, their cousin Musa, also 16, Mohammed and Ibrahim Ganan, 24, and 25, and Hamdi and Ibrahim Sawaleh, 20 and 28.

A third Sawaleh brother, Salim, 23, was still missing on Thursday, with giant earth moving machines upturning huge quantities of sand in a search for his body.

"They had simply come here to watch the match," said Wael Sobih, standing beside a wrecked beach-scape of broken plastic chairs and upturned palm trees. "This is a play area, not a military camp. It was a normal social occasion." Others said the nine often watched football and had been rooting for Argentina. There was no comment on whether any of them belonged to Hamas or other Palestinian militant factions.

Eish, no moral high ground on either side.

 

[marine1]

Hamas was legally voted into power. So yes, they do indeed represent the people of Gaza.

What would you deem to be an appropriate response from well equipped and highly developed armed forces? Israel only has bazookas, they don't have peashooters. Believe you me, if Israel wanted to wipe Gaza out they could, so they are containing themselves. Israel could probably level Gaza in a few hours if they desired.

Well there you have it so majority of Arabs agree with the terror. Enough said.
Yes Israel could level the area but they are the moral highground there so thats why they will not do such a disgusting act. Hamas on the other hand would not blink an eye.
Hamas is to blame once again, they broke the ceasefire and now they must deal with the consequences.

 

[Nicodeamus]

1. Israel need to stop with their settlements and need to move back to their 1967 borders.
2. Hamas need to stop with the rockets.
3. Hamas and the Arab World at large need to recognise Israel's right to exist.
4. Israel, the US and Britain need to acknowledge the State of Palestine.

But no, derps, derps everywhere.

Since 67 a lot of settlements already took place and Israel managed to civilize most of the occupied territory that they won through the 7 day war. If the Arabs do not want Israel to stay within their current zone then they should never have been aggressive.

 

[Cray]

Well there you have it so majority of Arabs agree with the terror. Enough said.
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Funny, wonder how many people on this board would agree that the ANC represents them?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Hamas was legally voted into power. So yes, they do indeed represent the people of Gaza.

What would you deem to be an appropriate response from well equipped and highly developed armed forces? Israel only has bazookas, they don't have peashooters. Believe you me, if Israel wanted to wipe Gaza out they could, so they are containing themselves. Israel could probably level Gaza in a few hours if they desired.

More out of desperation than anything else, I'd imagine. And I question the legitimacy of those elections anyway. Hamas are thugs, fitting every description of a despotic regime.

 

[Solarion]

1. Build a giant wall around Israel and Gaza.
2. World will carry on like not a single **** was given.
3. Come back in 1000 years and see what's left .

 

[durbandave]

More people are dying in SA everyday due to the lack of basic healthcare services, than die in a day in Palestine. So ANC dont cast stones if you live in a glass house, because you have no room to talk or condemn anyone else.

Rather worry about our country and try fix that, instead of worrying about some war that has been going on for centuries.

 

[thestaggy]

Since 67 a lot of settlements already took place and Israel managed to civilize most of the occupied territory that they won through the 7 day war. If the Arabs do not want Israel to stay within their current zone then they should never have been aggressive.

The problem is that Israel is continually expanding their territory, even in the absence of aggression. Hamas in turn uses these expansions as a pretext for their aggression, which I am sad to say, is valid. It is tantamount to an invasion.

Don't get me wrong, I support Israel's right to exist, but they are also part of the problem.

 

[marine1]

Funny, wonder how many people on this board would agree that the ANC represents them?

And look how that is working out

 

[marine1]

More people are dying in SA everyday due to the lack of basic healthcare services, than die in a day in Palestine. So ANC dont cast stones if you live in a glass house, because you have no room to talk or condemn anyone else.

Rather worry about our country and try fix that, instead of worrying about some war that has been going on for centuries.

Well said. The ANC are so morally bankrupt they have no right to comment on anything.
What about Zim, Uganda, Syria, Libya?????
Really what a joke

 

[thestaggy]

More out of desperation than anything else, I'd imagine. And I question the legitimacy of those elections anyway. Hamas are thugs, fitting every description of a despotic regime.

http://www.eu-un.europa.eu/articles/fr/article_5621_fr.htm

Palestinian voted on 25 January to elect a legislature for the first time since 1996. 27 Members of the European Parliament were there to observe the election process. They visited polling stations in East Jerusalem, across the West Bank and Gaza. Their initial verdict on the process was largely positive. Parliament will be giving a political reaction to the results of the vote and its consequences at this week's plenary session, attended by the EU's foreign policy chief Javier Solana.

The Parliament's President Josep Borrell said that he "would like to salute the determination of the Palestinian people.....who in spite of very difficult conditions went in very large numbers to the polling stations to express their democratic choice. Democracy has spoken, the result must be respected and accepted". However he went on to warn Hamas that the "use of violence is not compatible with the rules of democracy".

On election day, the MEPs deployed in teams across the whole area, visiting polling stations in East Jerusalem, Nablus, Qalqilya, Jenin, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Jericho and Gaza. Despite earlier press reports of threats against European observers, there were no serious security problems for the MEPs, who were able to witness voting and counting taking place in most areas.

As far as the voting process was concerned, the initial conclusion of the MEPs - and the wider EU mission - was that it had generally gone well. Despite some problems, there was nothing which would indicate that the final result was not the outcome chosen by the voters.

As I said, legitimate and representative.

 

[Nicodeamus]

The problem is that Israel is continually expanding their territory, even in the absence of aggression. Hamas in turn uses these expansions as a pretext for their aggression, which I am sad to say, is valid. It is tantamount to an invasion.

Don't get me wrong, I support Israel's right to exist, but they are also part of the problem.

Israel has not crossed the zones it occupied in 67, the problem is that people want to refer back to 67 constantly, it has been almost 50 years, they need a new frame of reference.

 

[Cray]

And look how that is working out

By your logic all Palestinians deserve what they get because Hamas was voted into power, would you agree that if something happened to you as a direct cause of an ANC policy you would deserve it too? After all, the majority of South Africans voted for them..

Unless of course you want to distinguish yourself from the average ANC voter, but if that is the case you have to grant that Palestinians that don't support Hamas deserve the same concession.

 

[thestaggy]

Israel has not crossed the zones it occupied in 67, the problem is that people want to refer back to 67 constantly, it has been almost 50 years, they need a new frame of reference.

Does not matter if they have or have not expanded their borders. They are expanding their settlements in areas that are not theirs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/w...settlement-plans-draw-swift-condemnation.html

^ That right there is just downright retard behaviour. Especially when it causes a rift between even the US and Israel.

 

[assassin]

Totally agree Cray, i am not saying that Hamas needs to stay.

But the response by Israel is always 1000X what is needed and breeds contempt especially when the youngsters lose their homes and families. DO you expect these now orphans to forgive and forget when Israel clearly doesn't?

 

[Cray]

Totally agree Cray, i am not saying that Hamas needs to stay.

But the response by Israel is always 1000X what is needed and breeds contempt especially when the youngsters lose their homes and families. DO you expect these now orphans to forgive and forget when Israel clearly doesn't?

Unfortunately the cycle seems to be stuck on repeat. So much bad blood on both sides, the problem is that with the IDF always going over the top with retaliation it just makes Hamas recruitment that much easier.

 

[thestaggy]

Totally agree Cray, i am not saying that Hamas needs to stay.

But the response by Israel is always 1000X what is needed and breeds contempt especially when the youngsters lose their homes and families. DO you expect these now orphans to forgive and forget when Israel clearly doesn't?

Unfortunately the cycle seems to be stuck on repeat. So much bad blood on both sides, the problem is that with the IDF always going over the top with retaliation it just makes Hamas recruitment that much easier.

Again, how are they supposed to respond? If Israel wanted to turn Gaza into rubble they could easily do it within hours. But they have not. Considering the capacity of their armed forces they are exercising restraint. This is an army that once bested 4 enemies on 3 different fronts simultaneously within days.