Article: Racial tension in DA: ANC

[ToxicBunny]

"WE" - DA stans?

Showing your complete lack of understanding again are we?

 

[Sherbang]

Its hidden

Its just a personal opinion,I don't trust them,they seem a bit fake somehow.I've heard reports of some DA run town councils giving certain minority groups less than stellar treatment but they never do it openly always try to use regulations etc to make it all seem legal.

I will vote for them because of some of the potential positive change they have brought and the fact that even if they don't win they will shake the ANC up but I'm keeping an eye on them.

I think it's because they focus a lot on building a brand so that, without investigating, you don't actually know what you're getting - what they present to you is intended to show them in a certain light that doesn't reflect reality. For example, in the last election they had these posters showing some young, hip, coloured people. After enquiring a bit, I was finally informed that "The three people on the posters represent the diversity of DA supporters. They are not there as someone in the DA, but were selected as models". So the posters show hip, coloured people but in reality you were voting for Theunis Botha and Helen Zille.
A quick look, at the time, under the 'Our People' link on the DA website provided a very different 'face' to the brand they were trying to create...
It's this kind of misleading advertizing that makes them seem fake. They were trying to brand themselves, like they were advertising a product, creating an image that did not reflect who they really were.

That was then though, I don't know about now but their "Know your DA" campaign makes me think they haven't changed their tactics much since then.

It's like comparing the photograph of the burger advertised by a fast food chain with the actual burger you get, we all know how fake the photographs are.

 

[Seriously]

"WE" - DA stans?

NO! It's the bantu stans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan

 

[Sl8er]

It's like comparing the photograph of the burger advertised by a fast food chain with the actual burger you get, we all know how fake the photographs are.

*Gets to DA fast food counter. Asks for the burger in the ad. Gets a burger that doesn't look exactly like the one in the ad. Leaves.

*Gets to the anc fast food counter. Asks for the burger in the ad. Gets laughed at, chased out and gets money stolen by employees. Leaves with nothing and poorer.

 

[Picard]

We have a Westminster based democracy, so you do not run for president directly....the majority party in parliament elects the president...so you can campaign/run for the position, but the actual voting for the position takes place in that snoreville we call parliament.

And that's the problem. With the people of Africa CAN NOT you have a system like this.

 

[samus]

We have a Westminster based democracy, so you do not run for president directly....the majority party in parliament elects the president...so you can campaign/run for the position, but the actual voting for the position takes place in that snoreville we call parliament.

Technically yes, but it is my understanding that anyone elected president must be a member of the National Assembly. Isn't that why Zuma could not become president in 2008, and Motlanthe had to be sworn in as a "caretaker president" until the 2009 general elections?

If so, then Zille could definately not have been presidential candidate in 2009, as she stood only as a candidate to the Western Cape legislature.

 

[yebocan]

Technically yes, but it is my understanding that anyone elected president must be a member of the National Assembly. Isn't that why Zuma could not become president in 2008, and Motlanthe had to be sworn in as a "caretaker president" until the 2009 general elections?

If so, then Zille could definately not have been presidential candidate in 2009, as she stood only as a candidate to the Western Cape legislature.

Theoretically: An ANC MP could have resigned, JZ would have to be bumped up the party list, be sworn in as a MP and then could be nominated as President. Guess, the thinking was, a 2009 election meant: two complete terms for JZ, giving the public time to digest the thought of a JZ administration, allowing tempers to cool down in the Mbheki faction. Cleaning house...

HZ, would have been top of the DA party list for the National and Western Cape legislature, you only become a member of the particular legislature, once you are sworn in. As national leader of the Party, you would assume she would be in the National Assembly, she opted to be Premier...

 

[falcon786]

*Gets to DA fast food counter. Asks for the burger in the ad. Gets a burger that doesn't look exactly like the one in the ad. Leaves.

*Gets to the anc fast food counter. Asks for the burger in the ad. Gets laughed at, chased out and gets money stolen by employees. Leaves with nothing and poorer.

Well The ANC would probably give you one slice of bread and a patty(because his buddy got the bun and sauces etc in the tender),but hey it would be edible,so yes absolutely not what they advertised or what you paid for but at least you wont go hungry.

I would not eat the DA burger even if it looks kosher and like the ad because I don't trust them not to poison me lol they are suspect and secretive.I'll buy it to keep them in business because competition is good then throw it in the trash.

 

[Sherbang]

*Gets to DA fast food counter. Asks for the burger in the ad. Gets a burger that doesn't look exactly like the one in the ad. Leaves.

*Gets to the anc fast food counter. Asks for the burger in the ad. Gets laughed at, chased out and gets money stolen by employees. Leaves with nothing and poorer.

Not really, the ANC is more honest in their advertizing. They don't put up posters of beautiful white models in order to attract white voters while the counciller you are actually voting for doesn't appear on the poster. The ANC puts up a poster of Jacob Zuma - you know exactly what you are buying into.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Not really, the ANC is more honest in their advertizing. They don't put up posters of beautiful white models in order to attract white voters while the counciller you are actually voting for doesn't appear on the poster. The ANC puts up a poster of Jacob Zuma - you know exactly what you are buying into.

Does the DA say the people on the posters are their councillors?

 

[Sherbang]

Does the DA say the people on the posters are their councillors?

No... but when they are not even DA members it just seems dishonest to me.

 

[ToxicBunny]

No... but when they are not even DA members it just seems dishonest to me.

Do you know that they are not DA members?

 

[Seriously]

Not really, the ANC is more honest in their advertizing. They don't put up posters of beautiful white models in order to attract white voters while the counciller you are actually voting for doesn't appear on the poster. The ANC puts up a poster of Jacob Zuma - you know exactly what you are buying into.

Yes unfortunately you are so right. A protected criminal with a shady past and an even shadier future protected by the law and the constitutional system via the concourt and some third force thugs and criminal gangs who infiltrated the SAP, who is bent on destroying this country at all cost to safeguard his monetary "investments" just like his "brother" Bob the brainless Zombie is doing to Zim.

 

[w1z4rd]

I think it's because they focus a lot on building a brand so that, without investigating, you don't actually know what you're getting - what they present to you is intended to show them in a certain light that doesn't reflect reality. For example, in the last election they had these posters showing some young, hip, coloured people. After enquiring a bit, I was finally informed that "The three people on the posters represent the diversity of DA supporters. They are not there as someone in the DA, but were selected as models". So the posters show hip, coloured people but in reality you were voting for Theunis Botha and Helen Zille.

Really, link to that information? I happen to know several of those people in those posters personally.

Those are student posters.... designed by students.... for a student organization fighting for student rights.....

One of those students was a young leader by the name of Yusif Cassim. He held up the sign saying "I am a terrorist" in that anti-stereotype campaign DASO ran. Here he is as DA Youth Federal Chairman candidate. Which he won.

A quick look, at the time, under the 'Our People' link on the DA website provided a very different 'face' to the brand they were trying to create...

Here the national leaders: http://www.da.org.za/our_people.htm?action=view-page&category=national-leaders

Im also thinking how completely off the mark your comments are when applied to my own ward and municipality. If I remember correctly only 3 of the 10 leaders elected in BCM DA where white. You even look at that crowd at the national federal conference and you can see a very diverse range of people.

In one of the programs I am involved in (leadership course) only 3 of the 20 people who made the final selection where white. The DA has double, triple and quadruple reinforced their liberal ideology. We are taught that the DA is built on 4 pillars. We fondly call it by the acronym, "R2D2". Reconciliation, Redress, Delivery and Diversity. Heck I remember going for an interview where most of my questions where based on redress, accountability and delivery.

I know the DA are taking this seriously. I got to meet Helen Zille( as well as Nosimo Balindlela and Dr Wilmot James) at the Eastern Cape Provincial Council a couple of weekends ago and I have evidence that they are taking this seriously. The provincial council is where the provincial leadership (MPs, MPLs, Cncl, etc) meets up with the national leadership.

The guys in PE obviously took a bit of a knock with that councilor issue they had. In one of the presentations they made it clear "I want to make it clear, that from the point of view of the national leadership, any and all instances of racism are "hanging offenses", even if these are unintended, supposed to be in jest, or even accepted by those of whom the comments are made." I actually have a picture of the slide (with Helen in the picture). Dont want to publicly share it but if you want to see it I can PM you a link.

It's this kind of misleading advertizing that makes them seem fake. They were trying to brand themselves, like they were advertising a product, creating an image that did not reflect who they really were.

Its certainly not. The DA in the Eastern Cape is basically going to double in size. We will move from 9% of the vote to 18%. That increase does not come from white people. Branches are opening like wildfire and those branches are very active.

That was then though, I don't know about now but their "Know your DA" campaign makes me think they haven't changed their tactics much since then.

47% of rural people think that the DA will bring back Apartheid if they govern the country. That market is the target demographic. Its being pretty successful. There has been decent inroads made into rural South Africa. The ANC know the DA have a better ground plan than them then this election cycle.

It's like comparing the photograph of the burger advertised by a fast food chain with the actual burger you get, we all know how fake the photographs are.

No political party is going to be absolutely perfect. It is what we make it to be and some people are fallible. There are going to be bad apples. I know the DA are taking those bad apples very seriously. In the first speech by James, he made it clear that the time between investigation and prosecution of offending members was taking too long. He made it clear these long drawn out events dont sit well with the public so they were bringing in additional mechanisms to hold the guilty more accountable in a timely manner.

Referring to black members in the DA as "Stans" or "coconuts" is pretty insulting to them. Many of them are putting their lives on the line. Its the same kinda mudslinging the liberals got during Apartheid. Back then they were called "pink footed commies, race traitors" (for calling for multiracial elections) and many more insults more disgusting that I cant type out. The black people in the DA have the same fight against the hardliners in their culture that young white liberals had to endure from the conservatives during Apartheid.