Article: Red Bull ad offensive

[porchrat]

That's true.
they really do remind me of sad, angry people. They seem very upset with life.

Are you honestly supporting censorship? Why would you possibly want that?

Do people not have a right to joke about something they don't hold up as important just because you do? What if Christianity as a concept offends those people are they then allowed to demand that you be censored too... or does this only work in one direction (the one that you want)?

Unless someone is doing something outrageous like advocating the slaughter of a particular ethnic group or individual or something I don't see why censorship should be an option.

You don't have to agree with what is being said but in a free society you should be prepared to tolerate it. Otherwise go live in a theocracy.

 

[Apache]

Are you honestly supporting censorship? Why would you possibly want that?

Do people not have a right to joke about something they don't hold up as important just because you do? What if Christianity as a concept offends those people are they then allowed to demand that you be censored too... or does this only work in one direction (the one that you want)?

Unless someone is doing something outrageous like advocating the slaughter of a particular ethnic group or individual or something I don't see why censorship should be an option.

You don't have to agree with what is being said but in a free society you should be prepared to tolerate it. Otherwise go live in a theocracy.

I hear what you are saying but it does not apply here in SA or in many parts of the world. If what you say offends a racial, ethnic, or religious group then you will be censored, beaten up by said group, or jailed

 

[sparticus]

I'm not actually. Too many bloody meat eaters not respecting my beliefs!

I take it back , you the wittiest person alive.

I dont believe in the power of the mob... but you eating beef is against Hindi beliefs. Whether you do it respectfully or not.

If you cannot see the difference between doing something with intent to ridicule or doing something that is part of your daily existence then its your problem. Alchohol is preohibited for Muslims , you dont see any of us going on if non muslims drink do you ? If you want to drink alchohol then by all means do so, its your perogative , if you should poke fun at muslims using alchohol then yes I will have a problem with that.

IE, those Americans that burnt those defaced prisoner Korans (they didnt do it to ridicule people). Double standards, double standards. You only respect some beliefs and as long as it suites you.

We first off at the time the world was not aware of the reason's behind the act (burning of the Koran's) , secondly even the US found that the while the reason was correct the action was not. I as a muslim dont harbour hatred towards the fact that they stopped prisoners from planning or communicating secretly but I do mind the fact that they would dispose of the Koran's like that. In fact I would actually go as far as say that the prisoners were just as much if not more disrepectful to the koran for using it like that. Then again they are prisoners of their own land which is occupied by the US by force so the circumstances are extreme.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I hear what you are saying but it does not apply here in SA or in many parts of the world. If what you say offends a racial, ethnic, or religious group then you will be censored, beaten up by said group, or jailed

Actually it does apply here in SA... Its called Freedom of Speech, and its enshrined in our Constitution, which trumps your little "I'm offended" nonsense.

What you are suggesting is called censorship, and you're threatening violence if you don't get your way.

 

[Mars]

Are you honestly supporting censorship? Why would you possibly want that?

Do people not have a right to joke about something they don't hold up as important just because you do? What if Christianity as a concept offends those people are they then allowed to demand that you be censored too... or does this only work in one direction (the one that you want)?

Unless someone is doing something outrageous like advocating the slaughter of a particular ethnic group or individual or something I don't see why censorship should be an option.

You don't have to agree with what is being said but in a free society you should be prepared to tolerate it. Otherwise go live in a theocracy.

But where does it start? It starts with derogatory comments about a certain group. Not that i'm saying this ad is anything like that mind you. I think its amusing.

 

[porchrat]

I hear what you are saying but it does not apply here in SA or in many parts of the world.

The principle applies everywhere. Some people just don't want to live in a free society giving everyone equal rights is all and so they call for censorship and threaten to murder people like the savage cave-dwelling yahoos that they are.

If what you say offends a racial, ethnic, or religious group then you will be censored, beaten up by said group, or jailed

It shouldn't be that way. That is not a free society.

I have no problem with one taking offence at something and then not buying a product, this is one's personal choice but for the love of Odin don't support official censorship of this ad or it's removal from TV. We live in a free society and as such we must tolerate things that we might find offensive.

I also get really irritated when I see people using instances of people standing against censorship to attack atheism. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Standing up against censorship is something those of us that want a truly free society should all be doing.

 

[moose007]

Religion is fine, believe whatever ridiculous stories you want to believe,if it does not harm anyone.

When it comes to getting ads taken off the air/laws changed that affect everyone and in extreme cases people emotionally or physically hurt in the name of some fictitious story made up to make you feel better about death and the significance of your life, then it becomes an issue and that's where "atheists" step in and try and defend our right to not be pushed around by the rules 'you' choose to revolve your life around - I find Atheism is the perfect middle ground, don't follow any religion by the book but take the best of every religion and try and live your life by those guidelines, have faith in yourself not some imaginary friend.

 

[ToxicBunny]

If you cannot see the difference between doing something with intent to ridicule or doing something that is part of your daily existence then its your problem. Alchohol is preohibited for Muslims , you dont see any of us going on if non muslims drink do you ? If you want to drink alchohol then by all means do so, its
your perogative , if you should poke fun at muslims using alchohol then yes I will have a problem with that.

I will just respond to this because it amuses me.

Ok, so we must let you be offended and censor everything that offends you, but its not ok if we tell you off for offending someone else...

Hypocrit much by any chance?

 

[porchrat]

But where does it start? It starts with derogatory comments about a certain group. Not that i'm saying this ad is anything like that mind you. I think its amusing.

Criticising a view is part of freedom of expression. You cannot claim to want a free society if you want to silence all views that you don't agree with.

If you want to stop the derogatory comments then get out of our free South Africa and go live in a theocracy.

 

[copacetic]

Religion is fine, believe whatever ridiculous stories you want to believe, it does not harm anyone.

When it comes to getting ads taken off the air/laws changed that affect everyone and in extreme cases people emotionally or physically hurt in the name of some fictitious story made up to make you feel better about death and the significance of your life, then it becomes an issue and that's where "atheists" step in and try and defend our right to not be pushed around by the rules 'you' choose to revolve your life around - I find Atheism is the perfect middle ground, don't follow any religion by the book but take the best of every religion and try and live your life by those guidelines, have faith in yourself not some imaginary friend.

I must just point out, that for me, personally, the guidelines I live by most certainly don't stem from religion, but from common sense, empathy and rationality.

 

[w1z4rd]

Its obvious that atheists have an answer for everything.

No they dont, thats you using a logical fallacy to try belittle their opinions.

If we decide that it is inappropriate then that's how we feel. Jesus belongs to us!

Jesus belongs to no one. Dont forget, he features in more than just the simple Christian beleifs. He is in Islam as well. No one, no religion, no insitution can claim to own Jesus.... he is not a tradeable commodity or personal property.

Atheists try and make us religious people and our beliefs seem stupid.

From their perspective they often are. You believe in talking snakes.

I have no problem with atheists as long as they don't mock my religion. My dad is an atheist and I have no problem with his way of thinking and he has no problem with what I believe in. Its working because we don't make each other feel stupid.

I have no problems with Christians if they dont speak about their religion either. You see, if an atheist is not allowed an opinion neither should the Christian. Thats a two way street.

You atheists on this forum are starting to remind me of extremists... bashing anything religious that comes up... every single religious thread that comes up then the regular atheists have to always give there say and its always to mock us religious folks.

If your definition of an atheist extremist is a dude on a forum with an opinion... then that automatically makes atheist extremists better than religious extremists. An atheist extremist according to you is someone with a strong opinion. The religious nuts kill people!

Why does religion bother you guys so much that you always have to try and make us feel small and stupid and attack with your theories?

Because they screw with us. Remember TopTV?

Its like you guys are bullies and you gang up on us always as if you get a high out of it or something.

You are confusing not getting your own way as an attack.

I feel sorry for you guys...

I feel sorry for us as well considering with what we have to deal with.

 

[moose007]

I must just point out, that for me, personally, the guidelines I live by most certainly don't stem from religion, but from common sense, empathy and rationality.

Yeah I agree completely, but certain religions do have those morals imbedded in them - Although the fanatics are completely without common sense, the most important of all.

 

[Kornhub]

Well I am catholic but ummm it is just an ad.

 

[Mars]

Criticising a view is part of freedom of expression. You cannot claim to want a free society if you want to silence all views that you don't agree with.

If you want to stop the derogatory comments then get out of our free South Africa and go live in a theocracy.

Yea, the view, not the people. Too many times the criticism is aimed at the person who holds the view rather than the view.

I know many YEC Christians who are honest and sincere, yet they get personally attacked for their view. The same goes for a few athiests I know.

 

[(@) (@) twister]

False advertising - Red bull does not give you wings - please remove all Red Bull advertising.

 

[Fuma]

That's true.
they really do remind me of sad, angry people. They seem very upset with life.

This^^

 

[copacetic]

Yea, the view, not the people. Too many times the criticism is aimed at the person who holds the view rather than the view.

I know many YEC Christians who are honest and sincere, yet they get personally attacked for their view. The same goes for a few athiests I know.

Of course this does happen, but what happens far more often in my opinion, is that religious people choose to confuse a criticism of their religion as a personal attack.

*edit*

What also really get me, is the double standards that are always at play in these debates. An honest reading through of a thread like this will show the attitude of some of the religious folk towards atheists (in this case, we are miserable,angry, upset, bullies, etc, etc) but you don't see us crying foul and whimpering about it, generally, as I for one recognize their right to free speech, even if it is silly, untrue and derogatory.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

The lack of respect for ones fellow man is severely lacking in this thread.

 

[RanzB]

That's true.
they really do remind me of sad, angry people. They seem very upset with life.

Sad? Angry? Upset?

You just described christian's reaction to this story and pretty much every other thing which offends different sects at different times, including gay people, sex before marriage, drugs, contraceptives and generally not being dictated to by an outdated, non-verified self-proclaimed ruler of the universe.

 

[TJ99]

The lack of respect for ones fellow man is severely lacking in this thread.

Please, do elaborate...