Article: SAPS spend R161million on private security

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The SA Police Service (SAPS) spent R161.5 million on private security services in 2009/10, Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa said on Tuesday.

In written reply to a question in the National Assembly, he said contracts with private security companies were for the provision of security services to perform guard duties at the various SAPS premises.

 

[Mila]

This confuses me. Why would you rather be a guard than a police officer?
Ciminal Record?
Pay?

 

[marine1]

Both, although registering for PSIRA, I dont think you would get registered with a criminal record.
Your fingerprints get sent to CRC

 

[Mila]

Both, although registering for PSIRA, I dont think you would get registered with a criminal record.
Your fingerprints get sent to CRC

Oke.
I rather be a police officer. I seems just like there is somewhere to work your way too.
Do you still go to college? Do they now have to do fitness tests? Maybe it has to do with literacy?

 

[marine1]

Oke.
I rather be a police officer. I seems just like there is somewhere to work your way too.
Do you still go to college? Do they now have to do fitness tests? Maybe it has to do with literacy?

Well all you have to do it a course, quite simple really and you get level C,D,E grade in PSIRA (Private security industry regulatory authority). You really dont have to be a brain surgeon. The pay would be low on those grades however when you get to level A you can be a director of a security company.

Remember that with SAPS basic training it takes far longer and to be honest in these times who wants to join the police? Most of the intake fail their CRC check (criminal record check) and are kicked out, most of the time. Some manage to get through.

Being white, rather go private, you will never get promoted in the SAPS, speaking from contact with SAPS friends.
Take for example, most of the Task Force guys, they left and went to Iraq, Afghan. and are making 10 times the money, no politics, no racial prejudice and are appreciated and respected for their work.

 

[Mila]

Well all you have to do it a course, quite simple really and you get level C,D,E grade in PSIRA (Private security industry regulatory authority). You really dont have to be a brain surgeon. The pay would be low on those grades however when you get to level A you can be a director of a security company.

Remember that with SAPS basic training it takes far longer and to be honest in these times who wants to join the police? Most of the intake fail their CRC check (criminal record check) and are kicked out, most of the time. Some manage to get through.

Being white, rather go private, you will never get promoted in the SAPS, speaking from contact with SAPS friends.
Take for example, most of the Task Force guys, they left and went to Iraq, Afghan. and are making 10 times the money, no politics, no racial prejudice and are appreciated and respected for their work.

HAng on. I'm way to old!! SO you say it has all to do this the testing part.

This is just so strange. I see he says it "makes more sense" to outsource this kind of work. Seems like our whole geverment "out source" their work.

I would have thought that you start down below by "looking after" buildings then work your way up do people and then politicians.
Step one Boetebessie
Step two Security
And so on and so forth.

 

[LazyLion]

So the police cannot protect themselves?

How are they supposed to protect us then?

 

[marine1]

In the past, under the old regime, police guarded the stations.
Training recruits were made to guard, simple as that. You had to learn and go through the ranks.
These days its a disgrace. How could the police make a recruit do such menial tasks?
These days you can even go home after you day at college, before you stayed and if you were caught out, you were disciplined.
Gone are the days of discipline.

 

[marine1]

So the police cannot protect themselves?

How are they supposed to protect us then?

Well thats exactly why crime is the way it is. Dysfunctional police, army, government, society

 

[genetic]

Gone are the days of discipline.

It definitely seems like it.

 

[Alestorm]

So the police cannot protect themselves?

How are they supposed to protect us then?

You can't have read the article or thought very much about this.

I'll just copy paste because it makes perfect sense on its own:

Among other things, a comparative analysis had shown it was more cost effective to outsource this type of service than to use trained police officials.

This made more trained police officials available to perform operational police duties.

The private security company was contractually bound to replace any employee absent for whatever reasons, such as sick leave or vacation leave.

Further, the administrative burden of arranging guard duties was no longer SAPS' responsibility and all personnel matters had to be dealt with by the service provider.

The private security company could also be held responsible should any losses occur, Mthethwa said.

You really don't need any more reasons but obviously most of these premises aren't active police stations/buildings that they're guarding. It would be a very bad idea to use police officers for a security guard's work in most of these cases.

 

[A Darter]

So the police cannot protect themselves?

How are they supposed to protect us then?

I've never understood what happens in people minds when they read certain things.
Can I ask.....did your mind just super-impose what you wanted to read, and paste it over that article?

Have you ever seen the Police Flying Squad driving around with armed guards to protect them? In fact, have you ever seen a normal everyday police van with an armed guard escort?

South Africans can be full of sh*t sometimes...seriously. The police is more than just guns. There are computers, storage facilities, mechanic shops, etc etc. Does it make sense to use a police officer to guard a police owned warehouse (which closes at 5pm), when you could use that officer elsewhere? Does that make sense to you? Or think of a social worker (that has never touched a gun before) who counsels abused kids, but happens to work in some or other police facility (not necessarily a police station) overnight. Does it make sense to have a member of the flying squad to walk around the place at night to make sure she's safe? Please think a bit before you copy past what all other negative South Africans say.

But with that said, criminals seem to be a lot braver these days when it comes to attacking cops at stations.

 

[DreamKing]

You can't have read the article or thought very much about this.

I'll just copy paste because it makes perfect sense on its own:



You really don't need any more reasons but obviously most of these premises aren't active police stations/buildings that they're guarding. It would be a very bad idea to use police officers for a security guard's work in most of these cases.

wrong, most of the government buildings should be protected by police. Unfortunately incompetent anc government only understand how to “waste” public money rather than “use” it properly.

PS: consider police = public security guard. it is much easier to understand why.

 

[DreamKing]

I've never understood what happens in people minds when they read certain things.
Can I ask.....did your mind just super-impose what you wanted to read, and paste it over that article?

Have you ever seen the Police Flying Squad driving around with armed guards to protect them? In fact, have you ever seen a normal everyday police van with an armed guard escort?

South Africans can be full of sh*t sometimes...seriously. The police is more than just guns. There are computers, storage facilities, mechanic shops, etc etc. Does it make sense to use a police officer to guard a police owned warehouse (which closes at 5pm), when you could use that officer elsewhere? Does that make sense to you? Or think of a social worker (that has never touched a gun before) who counsels abused kids, but happens to work in some or other police facility (not necessarily a police station) overnight. Does it make sense to have a member of the flying squad to walk around the place at night to make sure she's safe? Please think a bit before you copy past what all other negative South Africans say.

But with that said, criminals seem to be a lot braver these days when it comes to attacking cops at stations.

so as your logic....

it makes sense to employ private security guards to protect US army in Afghanistan? interesting

 

[A Darter]

Take for example, most of the Task Force guys, they left and went to Iraq, Afghan. and are making 10 times the money, no politics, no racial prejudice and are appreciated and respected for their work.

But miraculously whenever the Task Force shoots dead 6/7 guys in an attempted cash heist, all of the skilled white guys who left years ago seem to be involved. :erm:

 

[Alestorm]

wrong, most of the government buildings should be protected by police. Unfortunately incompetent anc government only understand how to “waste” public money rather than “use” it properly.

PS: consider police = public security guard. it is much easier to understand why.

The reasons in the article alone are more than enough to see why you shouldn't use police for guarding duties. What reasons do you have for using trained, comparatively highly paid police officers to guard buildings when they are so desperately needed for police work?

 

[A Darter]

so as your logic....

it makes sense to employ private security guards to protect US army in Afghanistan? interesting

No thats YOUR logic...I never said that:wtf:

My logic is.....if you are employed by the police and carry a firearm you don't need protection. If you are employed under the police force but do not carry a firearm (i.e the mechanics who work at the police workshop), it is not unreasonable to have a private security company walking around the place from time to time, instead of police officers that can be used elsewhere.

 

[LazyLion]

You can't have read the article or thought very much about this.
I'll just copy paste because it makes perfect sense on its own:
You really don't need any more reasons but obviously most of these premises aren't active police stations/buildings that they're guarding. It would be a very bad idea to use police officers for a security guard's work in most of these cases.

I've never understood what happens in people minds when they read certain things.
Can I ask.....did your mind just super-impose what you wanted to read, and paste it over that article?
Have you ever seen the Police Flying Squad driving around with armed guards to protect them? In fact, have you ever seen a normal everyday police van with an armed guard escort?
South Africans can be full of sh*t sometimes...seriously. The police is more than just guns. There are computers, storage facilities, mechanic shops, etc etc. Does it make sense to use a police officer to guard a police owned warehouse (which closes at 5pm), when you could use that officer elsewhere? Does that make sense to you? Or think of a social worker (that has never touched a gun before) who counsels abused kids, but happens to work in some or other police facility (not necessarily a police station) overnight. Does it make sense to have a member of the flying squad to walk around the place at night to make sure she's safe? Please think a bit before you copy past what all other negative South Africans say.
But with that said, criminals seem to be a lot braver these days when it comes to attacking cops at stations.

So that then begs the question.... how did the SAPS used to do it? Cos I can guarantee you that there were no private security firms guarding the police stations when I was a laaitie (not that I, ahem, used to spend much time at the police station). If the SAPS used to manage without them at one point in time, what then changed that it suddenly became a necessity?

 

[A Darter]

So that then begs the question.... how did the SAPS used to do it? Cos I can guarantee you that there were no private security firms guarding the police stations when I was a laaitie (not that I, ahem, used to spend much time at the police station). If the SAPS used to manage without them at one point in time, what then changed that it suddenly became a necessity?

The country changed. Crime changed. To a thief, a computer is a computer. Doesn't matter who it belongs to. The same way in which most people in the suburbs didn't have electric fences way back then.