Article: Smoking is bad - really bad

The health risks of smoking are worse than we thought, an Australian researcher said Friday.

But the good news is that those who quit in their 20s or 30s avoid about 90 per cent of the excess risk compared with those who never smoked.
 
Those smoking 10 cigarettes a day doubled their risk factor and those puffing more than 25 a day quadrupled it.
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A completely meaningless statement.

Anyway I wouldn't worry about it, if you enjoy smoking you should just keep on doing it, and the cigarette manufacturers are investing in R&D to come up with alternative ways to deliver nicotine. It is going to be interesting to see which nicotine delivery technology wins.
 
noxibox said:
A completely meaningless statement.

Anyway I wouldn't worry about it, if you enjoy smoking you should just keep on doing it, and the cigarette manufacturers are investing in R&D to come up with alternative ways to deliver nicotine. It is going to be interesting to see which nicotine delivery technology wins.
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Why is it a meaningless statement?

And why would you identify the smoker's pleasure as the criterion for whether or not to keep on smoking?
 
I'll smoke anyways. Thanks for the info though.

The day I stop is the day I have a kid.
 
Viva said:
Why is it a meaningless statement?

And why would you identify the smoker's pleasure as the criterion for whether or not to keep on smoking?
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Its meaningless, because its just a number. there is no baseline... if 1 out of 1000000000000 people die of x type of cancer, and by smoking I double my risk, i still have very good odds of not getting that type of cancer.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Its meaningless, because its just a number. there is no baseline... if 1 out of 1000000000000 people die of x type of cancer, and by smoking I double my risk, i still have very good odds of not getting that type of cancer.
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Sure, but the article also says

Now, we're finding two-thirds of deaths in current smokers are attributable to smoking."
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Either way, smoking is a disgusting habit. I'm glad I stopped. It's nice being able to taste my food again as well as everything in my place not stinking to high heavens every week.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Its meaningless, because its just a number. there is no baseline... if 1 out of 1000000000000 people die of x type of cancer, and by smoking I double my risk, i still have very good odds of not getting that type of cancer.
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Ahhhhh. The typical, ignorant smoker, ladies and gentlemen. :erm:
 
Ho3n3r said:
Ahhhhh. The typical, ignorant smoker, ladies and gentlemen. :erm:
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No, not an ignorant smoker. I am fully aware of what I am doing to my body..

But I dislike vague and meaningless numbers in relation to anything...
 
Viva said:
Sure, but the article also says
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Problem with that is what exactly do they mean?... I can attribute someones death to smoking if the guy who drove into him at 100km/h was distracted whilst trying to light a cigarette.

They're just statements that have no meaning because they have no context.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Oi! I don't gamble.. thats for idjits :p
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Of course, but people want to rule everybody's lives for the greater good :p gambling is another topic i often hear needs to be banned
 
My grandfather smoked until he was 90. I have a challenge, so I'll continue smoking!
 
ToxicBunny said:
Problem with that is what exactly do they mean?... I can attribute someones death to smoking if the guy who drove into him at 100km/h was distracted whilst trying to light a cigarette.

They're just statements that have no meaning because they have no context.
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We both know that this is not what the researcher have in mind. I do agree with you that he could have better communicated his results. The point however stands: according to his research, smoking kills more people than thought before. If you would like to have the actual numbers, I guess it might be worth to get your hands on his scientific article.
 
Viva said:
We both know that this is not what the researcher have in mind. I do agree with you that he could have better communicated his results. The point however stands: according to his research, smoking kills more people than thought before. If you would like to have the actual numbers, I guess it might be worth to get your hands on his scientific article.
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That is unfortunately up for debate. What we think the research had in mind, and what he did have in mind could be two totally different things. If he went into the study with a bias towards a certain outcome, it could skew the results.
 
father died of smoking

rpm said:
The health risks of smoking are worse than we thought, an Australian researcher said Friday.

But the good news is that those who quit in their 20s or 30s avoid about 90 per cent of the excess risk compared with those who never smoked.
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my father died at the age of 59 after 50 years of smoking. he smoke about 20s a day sometimes when i was still small i have to buy 2 packetts a day. he died because his lungs couldn`t get oxygen to first his brain and then his heart.
that is why i hate smoking, when i walk to work in the morning almost everyone in front of me is smoking. nothing i can do because it is outside. still no fresh air for me! i can expect lung cancer in the near future because of you guys that are unwilling to stop this bad habit
 
homeboy said:
my father died at the age of 59 after 50 years of smoking. he smoke about 20s a day sometimes when i was still small i have to buy 2 packetts a day. he died because his lungs couldn`t get oxygen to first his brain and then his heart.
that is why i hate smoking, when i walk to work in the morning almost everyone in front of me is smoking. nothing i can do because it is outside. still no fresh air for me! i can expect lung cancer in the near future because of you guys that are unwilling to stop this bad habit
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My cousin was killed by a drunk teenager in a hit and run, i wish all people would stop drinking so that less people would die on the roads :rolleyes:
 
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