Article: Stop blaming apartheid: Trevor Manuel

joelus said:
I disagree - He said you cannot blame apartheid for the failures of the current government.
This does not mean apartheid is blameless in creating the country we have today, you can't just make the legacy apartheid left behind disappear. So, when Zuma asserts that the violence that is so much a part of of lives today is rooted in apartheid, I'm inclined to agree with him. When he asserts that municipalities in formerly white-only areas have well-developed services and infrastructure, while underdeveloped townships and rural areas, which were deliberately deprived of resources during apartheid, do not have access to the required administrative, financial and technical capacity to function efficiently and effectively today - I'm inclined to agree with him. You cannot blame the failures of the ANC government on apartheid - we all agree on that, but you can't ignore the ongoing effects of apartheid either and pretend that the country we live in today was not born out of it.
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This sounds like just twisting words and being pedantic. At what point does responsibility for lack of service delivery belong with the "legacy of apartheid" and when does it belong with "failure of current government"? Sure, 10 years ago, legacy of apartheid. But after 20 years to improve things, with no improvements, I call that failure of government.
 
Sinbad said:
This sounds like just twisting words and being pedantic. At what point does responsibility for lack of service delivery belong with the "legacy of apartheid" and when does it belong with "failure of current government"? Sure, 10 years ago, legacy of apartheid. But after 20 years to improve things, with no improvements, I call that failure of government.
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It's not that hard - you can't blame apartheid for the failure of the ANC to effectively deal with and solve the problems created by apartheid. But you can still legitimately blame apartheid for creating these problems in the first place.

The difference is that apartheid is in the past so it's crying over spilt milk, what's done is done and can't be undone - so focusing on the current ANC government and addressing their failures is the only practical way of moving forward.

And not blaming apartheid for the fact that things haven't been effectively dealt with...

(although, one could go out on a limb and blame apartheid for the lack of any real leaders today, but that would be admittedly tenuous)
 
joelus said:
(although, one could go out on a limb and blame apartheid for the lack of any real leaders today, but that would be admittedly tenuous)
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No you can't. There are plenty of leaders but because of the blinkered view held by the ANC, the leader has to be fat, black and male.
 
saksakgp said:
The constitution starts off with a preamble that says " We, the people of South Africa,Recognise the injustices of our past..."

If Trevor is serious then he should push for an amendment of this reminder.

But in truth everywhere I look I recognise the effects of the injustice of our past. There is a thread about white males in Gauteng earning tops. That's an effect of the injustice of our past which I am forced to recognise.
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A big part of those you speak off are young entrepreneurs that made a success of their lives, without the defacto national corruption syndrome, yet they were never part of apartheid. Maybe it's time YOU stop blaming others for your own failures and try harder to make it work for you and then maybe if you spend less time on the internet talking BS you may also become a top earner like those whities you refer to. ;)
 
Seriously said:
A big part of those you speak off are young entrepreneurs that made a success of their lives, without the defacto national corruption syndrome, yet they were never part of apartheid. Maybe it's time YOU stop blaming others for your own failures and try harder to make it work for you and then maybe if you spend less time on the internet talking BS you may also become a top earner like those whities you refer to. ;)
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OK
 
When political parties stop being treated like rugby teams, then the country will get somewhere.

If the ANC cleaned up corruption, kicked out Zuma and addressed other major issues, i'd have no problem voting them. Likewise if the DA had a better standing in the country, I would never vote for them because I disagree with them. Right now I am voting DA simply to encourage a power struggle
 
STS said:
If the ANC cleaned up corruption, kicked out Zuma and addressed other major issues, i'd have no problem voting them.
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There's a lot more wrong with the ANC than just corruption and Zuma. I wouldn't vote for them even if they fixed those two things. I detest their ideology, which is one of centralising power, in the misguided belief that they're the only ones that know how to do things properly. They will never change this.

They also don't appreciate the democratic process. They pay lip service to the concept, but when it comes down to it, they trample over it.

STS said:
Likewise if the DA had a better standing in the country, I would never vote for them because I disagree with them. Right now I am voting DA simply to encourage a power struggle
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Disagree with them on what?
 
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