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Minister in the Presidency for National Planning Trevor Manuel says that in future, teachers should be tested regularly to determine their knowledge and competency and their salaries should be linked to learner performance.
First part can totally agree with. The second part (in bold) no. There are plenty of learners that no matter how good of a teacher you are the learner will just not perform well. Also there are already plenty of teachers that give answers to exams, etc to get a higher performance level, if this goes through then we will see more and more teachers doing just that.
Pilgrim
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I agree, that is such a bad idea. Linking your salary to something as easily manipulatable as a students outcome in one specific exam is ridiculous. It will be abused, and students will excel at the tiny fraction that they are tested on.
Oh well, knowing the ANC they won't take advice and just blunder further, wondering why the education system keeps failing us.
LithIX
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Isn't that the idea?
Nevermind standards... As long as they do well, huh? Hard work is such an emperialistic ideology.
Back to reality: after Praveen Gordhan's retarded idea of salary caps, I seriously thought our government cant think of anything worse than that. I was wrong. Whats next?
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I don't think he 's completely off target. For one they can measure a teacher success based on external exams and not ones created by themselves..... Students should be forced to at least complete high school as well. If they are obviously not up to the task a faculty head can apply to move them to a learnership where they can get matric by proxy of actual skills (it can have a slightly altered name like functional senior certificate etc)
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scotty777
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Hmmm, why not actually pay the teachers a decent salary? Make it more of an aggressive market? Push for education on all levels?
I agree with comrade Trevor Manuel 100%, especially on the matter of getting qualified Maths, Science and Technology teachers from other English speaking countries. Education is the life blood of South Africa. I also agree with him that foreigners should be given work permits once they qualify from our higher institutions. He definitely has my support.
alloytoo
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The unions are going to howl for comrade Trevor's blood as they do whenever any remuneration is linked to performance.
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You know that lazy bastard at work, the one that you constantly wonder how he is still employed as you are fully aware that he does absolutely zero work and produces no results whatsoever. Well we will now be monitoring his performance and YOUR salary will now be based on HIS performance.
Still think it's fair?
Well, maybe the unions have a point for once. Basing remuneration on someone else's performance is absolutely retarded and will only make the education system even worse.
I agree the suggestion is rubbish for obvious reasons but what is the best way to test teacher performance?
What have other countries tried?
I know in the US some teachers have been jacking up marks to cover their butts.
What have other countries tried?
I know in the US some teachers have been jacking up marks to cover their butts.
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^this^
create a competitive environment where teaching actually becomes a worthwhile career choice and would hopefully allow people who have trained as teachers to actually become teachers, instead of some person that is doing it just because it's a job. all the slackers can get pushed out the door for real teachers who want to teach. Only way this would work though is if the Unions come on board to promote decent education and help kick the useless oafs out the door, instead of constantly defending them.
Then how do you propose to have the lecturers and teachers monitored? Coming from a tertiary education background I can tell you now that most of the lecturers at the institution where I worked hardly showed up for work and when they did they did approximately 4 hours of work a day.
A system has to be put in place for KPA's and KPI's.
I have met some super smart teachers that have absolutely 0 ability to transfer the knowledge... sad fact unfortunately.
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Did your tertiary education include something like beauty therapy because you must be the world's biggest idiot if you think this is a valid way to access teachers.
Pupils slack off on a constant basis. Some don't want to be there; some don't care whether they pass or not because they get pushed through; some are so ****ed on drugs they couldn't be bothered with anything. So yes, let's base our teachers performance on this outstanding indicator.
You sir are a ****ing moron - I marvel at the fact that you can operate a keyboard.
If you had bothered to read my response properly you would have seen me asking for your opinion on what can be done. Instead of bitching about it you may have considered to contribute positively, but alas it would appear that it is that time of the month for you.
Yes the tertiary education institution did have somatology but that wasn't even considered in my response.
Did I at any point in any of my posts say that the students that didn't put in their share did not have to face consequences. If you go through relevant posts I have made here on MyBB you will actually see that I am rather a big fan of tough love for school kids. But then again judging by your post count you are most likely a passing troll and your comment will be discarded as such.
So long twinkle toes.
Mach III
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Bloody good idea. The big part will be teaching teachers ethics, and enough segregation of duties for tests. Test papers set and marked by other teachers unrelated. Just because there is opportunity to fraud, doesn't mean there will not be enough control measures in place.This can actually give people incentive to want to become teachers. If a teacher can contribute positively to students lives, they deserve to be driving ferrari's.