Avis supports e-toll, sees positive impact

KoosJr said:
DA wont allow it.
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DA has done nothing up here and since it is a national project I believe that the WC will get the same "special" treatment as us. Non-compliance from citizens is the only way to now stop it. But from looking at the malls, people are busy buying up e-tags. Typical sheep mentality and the project will carry on (albeit heavily government subsidized just to prove a point).
 
Arthur said:
I've asked the CEO of Avis in SA to clarify the company's position on this matter. Let's see what happens.
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Could you ask them how they can justify the additional variable cost difference they take, especially in light of the fact that it will cost them the same amount to invoice for R200 as it will for R2000. There's no variable input cost there that they need to cover. Seems they're simply attempting to profit from e-tolling...
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
DA has done nothing up here and since it is a national project I believe that the WC will get the same "special" treatment as us. Non-compliance from citizens is the only way to now stop it. But from looking at the malls, people are busy buying up e-tags. Typical sheep mentality and the project will carry on (albeit heavily government subsidized just to prove a point).
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What was the DA supposed to do up here?
 
imranpanji said:
For those of you in WC, just in case you are unsure of this:

Etolls.........coming to a road near you soon!

Once this project gets going, there is no stopping it
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Even if it does, so what? First world road infrastructure, paid the same way roads are paid for in Italy? I'll take it
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
DA has done nothing up here and since it is a national project I believe that the WC will get the same "special" treatment as us. Non-compliance from citizens is the only way to now stop it. But from looking at the malls, people are busy buying up e-tags. Typical sheep mentality and the project will carry on (albeit heavily government subsidized just to prove a point).
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It needs to go through the Provincial Legislature. I doubt it would sail through easily in the WC Legislature
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
DA has done nothing up here and since it is a national project I believe that the WC will get the same "special" treatment as us. Non-compliance from citizens is the only way to now stop it. But from looking at the malls, people are busy buying up e-tags. Typical sheep mentality and the project will carry on (albeit heavily government subsidized just to prove a point).
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As much as I'd love that to be completely true the situation is a lot more complicated
the DA hasn't accomplished much in Gauteng in stopping e-tolls and I am pretty sure there has been a cynical strategy of rather letting steam build up to fight the ANC, but on the broader picture they certainly for the last 18 months or so on a national level are doing quite a bit of fending off - I got attacked in another thread for pointing out ways in which the DA have acted that have aided the e-tolling cause and it certainly could be said by COSATU and co - but not the SACP who have a very strange other agenda - that e-tolling is a consequence of the ANC adopting DA advanced neoliberal economic policies (each of which can have scare quotes added ...) and there is a open road tolling document from the DA as part of the 2004 election that they can pull up, but it can equally be rebutted by the DA that the e-tolling mess is the ANC misapplying DA policies.

The DA in the NCOP in particular is putting a lot of energy into fighting e-tolls BUT in order to actually make government accountable civil disobedience is an absolute necessity. It would be the height of foolishness to think that by voting for the DA you are aiding the fight against e-tolling.
 
JStrike said:
Even if it does, so what? First world road infrastructure, paid the same way roads are paid for in Italy? I'll take it
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Haha. I take it you haven't driven in Johannesburg recently?

Never mind the crappy state of the roads, the pure inefficiency of the system should give you pause.
 
JStrike said:
It needs to go through the Provincial Legislature. I doubt it would sail through easily in the WC Legislature
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No it doesn't
the specifics of Gauteng's etolling project is that the GFIP is the starting point and for GFIP the Gauteng Provincial Legislature had to make allocations - and the DA has admitted to supporting certain initiatives here but argue (and frankly rightly so) that they were mislead as it was indicated that the funding would be through a SANRAL initiative and that the project was part of 2010 upgrades - but the underlying tolling is available on national roads. There is a requirement for the Premier and/or MEC to be consulted but in the long haul there are a lot of national roads already in the WC to gun for.
 
Paul Hjul said:
No it doesn't
the specifics of Gauteng's etolling project is that the GFIP is the starting point and for GFIP the Gauteng Provincial Legislature had to make allocations - and the DA has admitted to supporting certain initiatives here but argue (and frankly rightly so) that they were mislead as it was indicated that the funding would be through a SANRAL initiative and that the project was part of 2010 upgrades - but the underlying tolling is available on national roads. There is a requirement for the Premier and/or MEC to be consulted but in the long haul there are a lot of national roads already in the WC to gun for.
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Thanks for the detail.
But I don't mind etolls. I like them in Italy and France, and think they are needed here.
 
icyrus said:
Haha. I take it you haven't driven in Johannesburg recently?

Never mind the crappy state of the roads, the pure inefficiency of the system should give you pause.
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Are the tolled roads not good quality?
 
JStrike said:
Thanks for the detail.
But I don't mind etolls. I like them in Italy and France, and think they are needed here.
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I agree with you. I've come out in support of MBUF. But it has been implemented shockingly here, at exorbitant price points, inflated costs, terrible quality, and unsustainably in terms of pricing. It was ill-conceived, ill-managed, and now we have to deal with the repercussions. I've posted in this thread the pricing and increases required for Sanral to simply service its debt, and it is ridiculous. The only viable alternative, in the situation the ANC has put us in, is to recover from the fuel levy, and find a new role for the gantries, like average speed traps...
 
JStrike said:
Are the tolled roads not good quality?
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No. They've had to be resurfaced at our cost; the off-ramps have had no impact on traffic volumes; the costs were significantly inflated due to collusion and poor management on Sanral's part; and they're still not completed ffs...
 
ah right

on express roads and new infrastructure where there isn't an extinction of a long standing right of way I am in full favour of same
 
DJ... said:
I agree with you. I've come out in support of MBUF. But it has been implemented shockingly here, at exorbitant price points, inflated costs, terrible quality, and unsustainably in terms of pricing. It was ill-conceived, ill-managed, and now we have to deal with the repercussions. I've posted in this thread the pricing and increases required for Sanral to simply service its debt, and it is ridiculous. The only viable alternative, in the situation the ANC has put us in, is to recover from the fuel levy, and find a new role for the gantries, like average speed traps...
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All fair points
 
DJ... said:
No. They've had to be resurfaced at our cost; the off-ramps have had no impact on traffic volumes; the costs were significantly inflated due to collusion and poor management on Sanral's part; and they're still not completed ffs...
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They had t resurface them? Weren't they just built??
 
Paul Hjul said:
ah right

on express roads and new infrastructure where there isn't an extinction of a long standing right of way I am in full favour of same
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Agreed. Resurfacing an existing road is not infrastructure investment. Adding a single lane is simply a case of supporting growth, ergo said growth should have supported the budgets for this already, had government spending been managed correctly.

This is not infrastructure development. This is maintenance for the most part, and we already pay for this. But the maintenance fund was abused by thieves and crooks and is pretty much depleted. That is not a good enough justification for this imo. You recover stolen money - you don't redeploy the fscking cadre and charge the taxpayer more...
 
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