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Question of the Day: What's the most interesting small town you've visited in South Africa?
Beware Table Mountain!
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marine1
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And you think the gvt will do anything? Absolutely not.
diabolus
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So what is the article trying to say? All those warnings they mention in there are NOT "foreigner ignorance and paranoia", that's the SAME warnings WE USE?! [for us it's actually COMMON SENSE by now] . I mean we KNOW climbing Table Mountain is risky , no one will go into Hillbrow if they can help it and ATMs are being BLOWN UP [nevermind the cautionary "take care at ATMs" warning we hear ourselves everyday] .
The article basically tells me the outside world actually know VERY WELL [and accurately] what's going on here.... If the govt. didn't know above stuff then they surely are living in a coccoon and being blind idiots. It irks me that the only way govt/someone seems to pay attention is when >foreigners< tells us thing we already know ?!
Very true, i've heard of at least 4 rapes/attempted rapes and robberies in the last 2 years of people [foreigners] climbing Table Mountain......i don't see this becoming less [and i'm sure there were more, just not as serious]. A good warning if you ask me...
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I've traveled to Germany, Austria, Ukraine, Mozambique and Namibia, multiple times over the past 9 years. Not once did a consulate warn me about crime in any of those countries. For the Ukraine, my host on that side, warned me about muggers, which is understandable for a country that are recovering from socialism. Your assumption is therefor wrong, according to my experience.
2 Years? and they all occurred as recently as in the last few months, seems you have been in immigration the last few years.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
But still statistics shows that of all the countries in the world, even including third world countries, South Africa takes top honors. And that is based on false statistical Government information with crime and murder stats reported far lower than the real truth.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
This I do not dispute. Tourists should be aware of the dangers of coming here. What really irks me is when people try to make out that this is the only country in the world that has crime. Like you wander around anywhere else in the world without a care in the world. This simply is not the case.
This crime wave will only be quenched when the punishment is harsh. The fear of being caught is not an issue because the justice system is inefficient and criminals know it. The inefficiency issue will not be solved easily.
We need to make the punishment so harsh, that folks would not want to risk the off chance of being caught.
We need to make the punishment so harsh, that folks would not want to risk the off chance of being caught.
What do you know, I was in Czech republic recently for two weeks, walked around late at night, driven around on bicycle and was never approached by beggar, saw or experienced no crime, had nothing lost or stolen or anything of that nature. This is a country and a town specifically with a very high jobless rate. The difference is they can survive without jobs and crime, In South Africa that is but a communists dream.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
What do I know? Well, I was born in England and have also travelled extensively throughout Europe. I will not bore you with the details and I do not want to get into a pointless argument here...
Bottom line is - there is crime in SA. It is bad. Tourists need to be warned about it.
HOWEVER
There is also crime throughout the rest of the world( except a very few areas that are still untouched. Large parts of Swizterland for example). Tourists need to be just as wary when going to these parts as they do when the come to SA.
Yeah OK TIT for TATt, So we have to treat all countries the same irrespective if you have a 2% chance of being mugged or robbed or a 98% chance. So we can say Iraq is no more dangerous than Switzerland, In both countries you MAY be a victim of a car bomb? Common be realistic!
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hj2k_x
Honorary Master
The point I am trying to make is that many people, yourself included, are correct in saying that crime is out of control in this country and something needs to be done. And I agree 100% with this.
Where you are wrong is to say that you will not experience crime in other countries in the world. This is simply incorrect. We do not have to get all upset about it and have a big argument.
It simply is not the case.
marine1
Honorary Master
Chences are that he will not experience crime in another country (first world and not in Africa) as crime is not directed at every member of the population overseas. Here, the frequency of crime is the problem.
diabolus
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nod said:
When i traveled to Italy [Rome specifically] i got plenty of warnings from friends/locals [and people in germany] who travelled there about muggings and pickpockets. They were correct, if i weren't holding my back-pack in front of me and being very cautious i would've been pick pocketed right there on the first train i climbed onto at Rome station...caught a guy with his finger in my pocket, he was waiting for me to move to slip out my wallet......
[Oh and their trains look like our freaking trains!, you know with the grafiti and stuff...sad]
Then i got taken for a ride by these dudes at the Colosseum who grab you, take your camera , take a photo WITH your camera of you and 2 guys dressed like roman soldiers and then they demand 10 EUROS for that service!
Afterwards i told the woman at the italian hotel i stayed and she said it's a common rip-off strategy [and all the locals know this] in Rome and i should watch out for those [bit late though]. There were so many scamsters there, i almost thought i walked into a Nigerian Capital...although must add it was most prevalent in Rome, in the smaller towns it was much different.
froggytoo said:
Dude, i was mentioning the very public serious cases that were splashed on the front pages and that i know off [which were very serious, with people being stabbed and women being raped]. I have heard of many more [cellphone mugging types] , but don't have "proof" or "sources" to back it up, so i prefer not to over-exaggerate.
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