'Bible allows incest'

Or Japenese vs Americans :D

We know generally, nless-religious countries are less violent and criminal than more religious countries. Thats fact.
 
tau1z said:
no, especially since u dont believe it either. His motives were freedom, simple.
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Then I would have to fall back on my original opinion of him, and that was an act of terror is a bad thing, no matter the intention, so still looking for Good doing bad with religion to justify.
 
w1z4rd said:
Almost the same I would imagine. Based on the fact that generally the most violent and fked up countries in the world are the most religious.
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You mistake war and religion i believe, you look at zimbabwe a really fed up country, nothing to do with religion, majority of Africa Fed up again nothing to do with religion. Iraq fed up again nothing to do with religion. Palestinians nothing to do with religion.

You may as well be saying the US are fighting a religious war because according to you anyone else fighting a war is doing so in the name of their GOD.
 
killadoob said:
You mistake war and religion i believe, you look at zimbabwe a really fed up country, nothing to do with religion, majority of Africa Fed up again nothing to do with religion. Iraq fed up again nothing to do with religion. Palesinians nothing to do with religion.

You may as well be saying the US are fighting a religious war because according to you anyone else fighting a war is doing so in the name of their GOD.
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I think maybe the problem here with your argument is that it is seeming to suggest that the God or religion is in fact, real, valid and worthy of these acts. My point and I think many other atheists is that religion is used as tool to justify these acts, without regard for whether the religion is true or valid. There is a difference.
 
w1z4rd said:
So what you are saying is that religion has 0 impact on crime (except being a excuse for it)?
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Again:
3. A disproportionately high number of prisoners were not in any way practicing religionists prior to incarceration. That is, they exhibited none of the standard sociological measures of religiosity, such as regular prayer, scripture study, and attendance at worship services.
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That would suggest that strong religious practice is definitely negatively correlated to crime. The fact that a person lists themselves as belonging to a religion is more often than not based on birth and not a practicing faith of any sort. I am also suggesting that you need to have a particularly blindsided approach to your data surveying in order to draw such obviously flawed assumptions as deliberately associating religiosity with incarceration.

OohHH here's another doozy - did you even read through this article w1z?

In the federal prisoner statistics, a full 20% of the respondents either answered "none" or provided no response to the question on religious affiliation. Based on response patterns to similar questions on nationwide surveys, it is likely that all or nearly all of these persons would be in the "nonreligious" category (or the "atheists" category, to use the terminology from the atheist web page itself). Even without adding the ".209%" of the population that specifically identified themselves as atheists, the segment of the prison population which self-identifies as non-religious is approximately twice as large as found in the general population.
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PeterCH said:
so please show me, using a logical, scientific argument how this person of authority and father of this girl became her rapist and how the Bible made him do it.
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Balstrome said:
My logic may be not up to Jesuit or Phrony standards, but I will give it a shot. The rapist found that he had a need to have sex with his daughters, and I suggest that he knew that this was an act that everyone considered to be vile and evil. But he really needed to do this, and here we step into supposition, he could have use the bible to try and take his mind of these thoughts, which could have been with him for a long time. Not know how to read the bible, he could have started at the beginning, working his way though, like one would with a normal book. Reading the bible like this looking for help, from it one has to admit is not the correct way to do this. And as he read, from the beginning, what did he find, yes, justification for the very acts that he needed to do.

Yes, he misinterpreted the bible, used it incorrectly, but that makes a logical sense if you look at it from his mental process.
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Just a bump, in case PeterCH missed this, (he tends to miss things at times, Yes, I know he is very busy, but I worked hard on this)
 
w1z4rd said:
Almost the same I would imagine. Based on the fact that generally the most violent and fked up countries in the world are the most religious.
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16% of canada is not religious, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Canada#Religious_mix
15.1% of south africa is not religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_South_Africa

We are certainly more than .9% more violent than canada
religion has less bearing on violence in countries than other reasons like poverty..
 
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Balstrome said:
I think maybe the problem here with your argument is that it is seeming to suggest that the God or religion is in fact, real, valid and worthy of these acts. My point and I think many other atheists is that religion is used as tool to justify these acts, without regard for whether the religion is true or valid. There is a difference.
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If this had been an atheist who blamed a movie for this sick crime what your response be?

A parole board i wonder if they would look favorably on an atheist over say a christian? Is it in a criminals interest to state they don't believe? I am not saying atheist criminal are worse or anything just trying to get an understanding as to why so many people list a religion but go and murder and rape. I cannot see how the bible can create murders and rapists and wizard maybe you would care to shed light on balstrome's feeling since he has pretty much ignored pete asking him for an explanation.
 
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Balstrome said:
I think maybe the problem here with your argument is that it is seeming to suggest that the God or religion is in fact, real, valid and worthy of these acts. My point and I think many other atheists is that religion is used as tool to justify these acts, without regard for whether the religion is true or valid. There is a difference.
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actually ur point, was that all bad acts are due to religious justification
 
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killadoob said:
If this had been an atheist who blamed a movie for this sick crime what your response be?

A parole board i wonder if they would look favorably on an atheist over say a christian? Is it in a criminals interest to state they don't believe?
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Trying to think of a reason an atheist would use any type of movie to justify his actions. I suppose that if one uses the theists concept of atheism, "You can do whatever you want" there may be a way to use a movie as you suggest. But I would offer, that is not what an atheist stands for. And with my comments about the rapist in the OP, I did not consider him to be a religious person of any sort. I suggested that he used religion to justify his act.

As to the parole board, an atheist would be more believable in his application for parole, due to the fact that he has only himself to blame and reward, no God or devil to do it for him. So yes, paroles should favour atheist over believers.
 
cerebus said:
Maybe you should tack it onto every statement you make just to be on the safe side.
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You are the one with a Jesus-link to God to know everything 100% sure. I cant be that sure ever. I dont speak to voices inside my head pretending to be God like you do.
 
w1z4rd said:
You are the one with a Jesus-link to God to know everything 100% sure. I cant be that sure ever. I dont speak to voices inside my head pretending to be God like you do.
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Someone gets petulant when they lose an argument.
 
cerebus said:
Someone gets petulant when they lose an argument.
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Actually, it started with you... if you had not started with the personal bitchyness perhaps I would not have had to respond in kind?

I certainly dont think I have lost the argument btw ;)
 
Balstrome said:
Not all bad acts, only good people doing bad things need religion to justify the act.
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Good people doing bad things, i thought we covered this 3 pages ago.

/inserts logical thought process

Nope logically that makes no sense good people doing bad things :eek:
 
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