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kingrob
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The really sad part is that Nokia can send out gazillions of X20 series phones, but it's Windows Phone and apps that's seriously lacking.
Once Microsoft fixes that, I might consider a wp handset.
Once Microsoft fixes that, I might consider a wp handset.
McCrazieGoalz
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I agree with you. The pricing is very competitive for the features that low end WP8 have relative to other OEMs.
I see they have their entire range of Lumias available in SA now.
Without saying which cellular provider I am with (forget it, I won't tell you), I just had a look at the price for the 520 and it is the cheapest at its spec level. I don't really know what specs the bottom of the range Androids have, but I am guessing they run on Honeycomb or other older versions (Gingerbread?). Yet, at the same price you get a device that has an up-to-date version of WP.
Supersensitive touch and city lens on a ~R150/mth phone on TopUp is really great.
McCrazieGoalz
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Here is the Nokia Max (Lumia 625) story as run by GSMArena.
The issue of the RAM is also raised in the comments section of the article, with GSMArena calling it an odd device if the specs are correct. It would not be odd though particularly since Nokia seems to be following Samsung's lead with this one, with the Galaxy Grand having similarly odd specs.
512MB on an WP8 is what 1GB RAM is to Android and what 256MB is to WP7.8. Nokia made the effort to make their Windows smartphones run on low RAM, of course with some compromises such as some apps not working.
My understanding is that WP is less processing power hungry than Android. Of course the trade off is that you can do more on your Android than WP (i.e. Android is more 'customisable' - whatever that means).
The issue of the RAM is also raised in the comments section of the article, with GSMArena calling it an odd device if the specs are correct. It would not be odd though particularly since Nokia seems to be following Samsung's lead with this one, with the Galaxy Grand having similarly odd specs.
512MB on an WP8 is what 1GB RAM is to Android and what 256MB is to WP7.8. Nokia made the effort to make their Windows smartphones run on low RAM, of course with some compromises such as some apps not working.
My understanding is that WP is less processing power hungry than Android. Of course the trade off is that you can do more on your Android than WP (i.e. Android is more 'customisable' - whatever that means).
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kingrob
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McCrazieGoalz
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Teaser...!
[video=youtube;mCD6VI5VmGE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCD6VI5VmGE[/video]
All to be revealed today in London.
Update:
Expect the Lumia 928. As you can see, with aluminium casing. Thinner, lighter. Not taller.
[video=youtube;mCD6VI5VmGE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCD6VI5VmGE[/video]
All to be revealed today in London.
Update:
Expect the Lumia 928. As you can see, with aluminium casing. Thinner, lighter. Not taller.
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McCrazieGoalz
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Unlike...
[video=youtube;XNBP18nrRdw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBP18nrRdw[/video]
[video=youtube;XNBP18nrRdw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBP18nrRdw[/video]
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kingrob
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Teaser...!
All to be revealed today in London.
Update:
Expect the Lumia 928. As you can see, with aluminium casing. Thinner, lighter. Not taller.
What does it help if Nokia keeps releasing handset after handset, but the OS is still not ready for prime time?
Imagine the Lumia 928 was running Android 4.2.2 - I can promise you now that Nokia would not have been able to keep up with stock.
GET RID OF ELOP!!!!
Maverick Jester
The Special One
So why would this appeal to any current Android user? Such limitations exhibit pretty shoddy OS development IMO, simply because there doesn't seem to be any forethought that was put into their multitasking solution...
Arthur
Honorary Master
Nokia going Android would be the certain path to suicide. Of that there is no doubt.
Nokia cannot out-manufacture Samsung. Period. To compete head-on with Samsung would lead to a zero margin war of attrition, and that is a war Nokia will lose.
The choices are stark: Apple is forever closed and inert. The Android world will always be dominated by the largest and lowest-cost manufacturer which is larger than all the rest combined (ie Samsung and the Seven Dwarfs). Nokia's only sane choice was to throw everything into building the only third ecosystem with any chance of survival in a world utterly dominated by iDroid.
Were Nokia to go Android, they'd have a brief and bright flame-up in sales, and then a spectacular flame-out when the Korean behemoth strikes back.
The current Nokia strategy is not Elop's, but the Board's. They hired Elop to implement it. The only reason to fire him is because they'd want greater energy, not a strategy switch.
Nokia cannot out-manufacture Samsung. Period. To compete head-on with Samsung would lead to a zero margin war of attrition, and that is a war Nokia will lose.
The choices are stark: Apple is forever closed and inert. The Android world will always be dominated by the largest and lowest-cost manufacturer which is larger than all the rest combined (ie Samsung and the Seven Dwarfs). Nokia's only sane choice was to throw everything into building the only third ecosystem with any chance of survival in a world utterly dominated by iDroid.
Were Nokia to go Android, they'd have a brief and bright flame-up in sales, and then a spectacular flame-out when the Korean behemoth strikes back.
The current Nokia strategy is not Elop's, but the Board's. They hired Elop to implement it. The only reason to fire him is because they'd want greater energy, not a strategy switch.
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AlphaJohn
Honorary Master
They doing it anyway, competing head on with Samsung, Huawei and HTC, .... last time I checked Samsung, HTC and Huawei also stock Windows 8 Phone.
I still think they can simply make them available (Android Lumias, that is) they do not have to market them just have them in inventory for those that want them. The marketing team and R&D can still focus on Windows Phone primarily.
You ask what will set Nokia apart from the OEM's mentioned above, its simple they carry more variety. The other OEM's only make 1 or 2 Windows Phone models and leave it as that. Nokia can do the same with Android Phones, ie: make 1 or 2 models for the people that want them.
McCrazieGoalz
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At the moment, where WP is falling short, Nokia chips in with advantages in hardware for WP in terms of overall appeal. This is why MS chose Nokia as its partner.
Customisability is just one of the draw cards of a smartphone. I tried to emphasise the fact that it is not what everybody is looking for by stressing the whatever that means part. This was intentional, I do know what customisability means. The issue is, customizability is not the only (or even one of the major) issues that most people look at when buying smartphones. It is for Android Geeks and faithfuls, not for everyone. Some people don't know what customisable means (and quite frankly, thats because they don't care - not because they are dumb), or even what OS their phones are running on. They just want a phone that meets their needs and then some. The sales people are the ones who look at this kind of thing, the and then some bit and have been wowed by Android for years, many of them are now blinkered (mindshare).
However, people still think for themselves and hardware, price and reputation still play a huge part in the smartphone equation. Thats why Samsung are succeeding, not because of Android alone. Nokia and MS bring this point together and this is one of the reasons why WP will succeed. These are tried and tested brands in the industry and the results of the reasons why they are tried and tested are now beginning to show.
Nokia will draw people to WP with its excellent hardware while WP catches up to the developmental (not necessarily appeal and security) level of iOS and Android. Keep in mind the fact that one of the appeals of Android was that it looks like iOS. Since this has been put to shame, even some of its faithfuls are quite likely starting to doubt it.
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cerebus
Honorary Master
The 928 does look good. Shame they didn't upgrade the chipset though. But at least they went to some lengths to improve the build and ergonomics of it and the camera is champs.
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kingrob
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I think you'll be pleasantly surprised if Nokia offers a Lumia 928 running Android 4.2.2 - there's a lot of people who love Nokia's great hardware designs and only buy Samsung cos they're the number one.
Another life lesson - never keep all your eggs in one basket.
Jab
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Arthur
Honorary Master
No, it's not head-on. WP devices are made by others, but they have no commitment to ecosystems. They are device makers only.
Nokia's Board knew they could never compete and survive in world where the only differentiator is device and price, because the Asians can do both better and cheaper. They also knew that devices are all about ecosystems, and it is precisely there that European nouse, design and IP (eg mapping/nav, music, etc) can be leveraged to gain advantage over the East Asians.
Nokia's strategy is the only sane one with a chance of long-term survival.
Nokia's Board knew they could never compete and survive in world where the only differentiator is device and price, because the Asians can do both better and cheaper. They also knew that devices are all about ecosystems, and it is precisely there that European nouse, design and IP (eg mapping/nav, music, etc) can be leveraged to gain advantage over the East Asians.
Nokia's strategy is the only sane one with a chance of long-term survival.
AlphaJohn
Honorary Master
And I see the Chinease behemoths are striking back anyway so Nokia's Windows Phone only territory is not so safe as some might let you think.
Huawei Ascend W1($115) is not a bad little phone, and its cheaper than Nokia's 520 ($150)
Huawei Ascend W1($115) is not a bad little phone, and its cheaper than Nokia's 520 ($150)
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kingrob
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I don't think Nokia is so much loved in Europe anymore, as they have closed down all the production plants and moved everything to China.
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kingrob
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Very true. If I was Nokia, I would be very worried right now.
Let me reiterate some words of wisdom I just shared with Arthur : "Never keep all your eggs in one basket."