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Black rape furore
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ForceFate
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You agree it's a cultural phenomenon? I grew up in those communities. This was unheard of. It came as a shock when news of babies being raped finally trickled down to the elders. Do you even know what you're talking about?
marine1
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Why then is it happening so often?
porchrat
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Not surprised. I'd probably cry too if I were told the central purpose of my existence is to procreate. Cry with laughter that is.
Many people live lives they find perfectly meaningful and fulfilling without having kids. Jeepers man. You hand out advice like that to kids and the next thing you know the kid discovers he/she either doesn't want kids or is sterile and then starts thinking there is something wrong with him/her. Nice.
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why is it a cultural phenomenon that white people rape kids in churches?
which "culture" approves of this marine1? don't say "black people".
if this is cultural, why does not every black person give their kids up to be raped to the less fortunate?
the problem here are the sangomas, just like the islam extremists, the pedophile priests and child -abusing hindus. funnily enough when it's the priests, its' the evil of religion, when it's muslims committing crimes, people are quick to point out it's not "a race so it isn't racism", but when it's black people ....
Well let's just say that it sure as **** isn't because their GP told them it'd cure a cold!
That actually makes it worst.
It's actually sexual for those scum.If the sangoma told those blacks to hump a goat to cure aids,they would do it.It is all about a believe in something/someone that could go any way.If it was cultural,the figures would be staggering...even idiots would know that.
However...paedohilla,incest,beastiality is prettyh much owned by whites,not only here but WORLDWIDE.With whites being a 10% worldwide minority (or less?),this can only point to an inherit disfunction and/or culture, nothing else.
Mortymoose
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Lack of Education......
porchrat
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The problem isn't just the sangomas. It is also those that are taught, and that continue to teach, within their culture, blind adherence to and reverence of sangomas. That particular culture will be almost exclusively black if not exclusively black.
That isn't necessarily an issue for the entire black South African race group as I'm sure there are black folks who have managed to rise above that stupid belief but to argue that the belief isn't culturally instilled, and that that culture doesn't have a root in black South Africans, is delusional.
As to kiddie fiddling priests that is also a cultural problem. A problem with both the religion itself and those that put the clergy on moral pedestals and trust them with their children where, given a person of any other vocation, they would be wary. Again, this isn't something one can extend to all white people but it does find its roots in white European culture of the past.
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marine1
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You think thats an excuse?
AfricanTech
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Calling the rape of babies a 'cultural practice' is factually incorrect.
Labelling the "listening to and following the instructions of sangoma's" a 'cultural practice' is correct.
Labelling the rape of babies as a cultural practice is incorrect unless you can show that the practice is an inherent part of black cultural traditions stretching back many, many years.
Our people need to be educated so that the Sangoma's and their ilk wither and die in their swamps of ignorance.
Quite frankly, 90% of 'cultural practices' need to be educated into extinction.
Labelling the "listening to and following the instructions of sangoma's" a 'cultural practice' is correct.
Labelling the rape of babies as a cultural practice is incorrect unless you can show that the practice is an inherent part of black cultural traditions stretching back many, many years.
Our people need to be educated so that the Sangoma's and their ilk wither and die in their swamps of ignorance.
Quite frankly, 90% of 'cultural practices' need to be educated into extinction.
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porchrat
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Are you arguing that you were born with your sense of morality exactly as it exists today?
Unless that is your argument, as opposed to the idea that we pick up our sense of right and wrong as we move through life, then I don't know how you can't view a lack of education, or even an exposure to potentially destructive ideas like taking a sangoma as an unquestionable paragon of spirituality, as something that isn't an excuse.
I imagine had you been exposed to similar destructive ideas with nobody ever teaching you to respect others, you too would behave in a similar manner.
I agree that their actions cannot go unpunished. Society needs to be protected from people like that. However we still need to acknowledge where the problem comes from to address it at the root instead of simply continuing to overfill our jails.
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AfricanTech
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It's not an excuse - it's an explanation
marine1
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marine1
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We might immediately chalk up differences in how people perceive morality to cultural influence or religious upbringing. Yet some scientists are claiming that morality is all in our brains and is merely shaped by outside forces. One such scientist is Marc Hauser, who draws upon subjects such as anthropology and linguistics to show that morality was around long before the first religions.
porchrat
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Did you even bother to read it?
Firstly you need to consider where the sample came from. If it was all performed in one country in which people all receive a similar education and have similar values instilled into them then it is no wonder they had people responding in similar ways (not that they necessarily did, notice that the article curiously fails to mention the exact numbers there, this should raise alarm bells straight away).
The article clearly mentions that there are differences in our senses of morality and that our morality is shaped by our experiences. That our rational minds can be used to perform tasks that other human beings may not perform.
Basically it says you can rationalise a choice to make it seem moral to you based upon your experiences and what you know (or at least what you think you know). Which is what I'm saying.
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marine1
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Yes I did and it says a lot about culture. Did you read it?
Culture shapes you but you are born with a basic sense of morality.
This woman is spot on
We can argue this until we are blue in the faces. Some cultures accept murder, rape, brutality, others do not.
Lack of education is no excuse.
Mortymoose
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There is never an excuse for such an act, however, I get tired of seeing how such a beautiful country like South Africa is suffering due to everything about white and black..... it's festering, if everyone had a proper education, this kind of things would not be happening on such a scale.....
For what it's worth, I fecking hate, absolutely loath rapists and pedi;s in a big way, we just had a repeat offender in our little town, A blerrie White German dick, 80 odd years old.... This prick hid behind the cover the church, molested a girl 8 years old ... A girl I know, friend of the family.... I was livid as this bastard went to the same church as Head Office and would turn up at my house over XMAS and EASTER with sweets for the kids.... back then I told Head Office not to let that cutn in this house and I always stood behind her with the most unfriendliest vibe towards him.... After he was caught out, the church stepped into redeem him..... what a lot of tosh.... those fecks do not change...... they forgave him.... and a mere 8 months later he was caught again peddling(fingering) sweets to the black kids in the park down the road from my house.... The police arrested him, he is out on bail , He avoids me, if I see him I am going intentionally knock into him and send him to his makers...
I went to a boarding school full of pedi's .. child abusers and can spot the ****ers a mile off.......
Point being, he was white, educated.... it's not a race thing, but if you educate the masses you shall remove a lot of the ignorance.......
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porchrat
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An education that teaches you that rape, brutality and murder are acceptable means you will likely view rape, brutality and murder as acceptable. Your article merely confirms this. I agree that their actions are still detrimental to society and they need to be kept separate from society in order to keep everyone safe but it is an explanation for their actions. It is at that cultural level (that education that says, in our example, that rape, brutality and murder are acceptable) that this needs to be address. Throwing these people in prison endlessly is not a practical solution.
Without a proper education these people use their experiences, their rationalisations, to justify their actions morally. With a proper education demonstrating why their actions are harmful that would not be possible.
marine1
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No its dying because of greed and racism. This country started out violently and will probably always be violent, look at what happens here with the unions, strikes, farm attacks, murder, rape
not arguing with you here
marine1
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What you are not prepared to accept based on this evidence is that we are born with some moral compass. I DO without doubt believe this.
Oh and I agree prison isnt the answer, remove them from the gene pool