Blu-ray 3D specifications finalized, your PS3 is ready!

[I am Penguin]

Most of us who aren't HT otakus or addiicts, have general purpose houses. We have a living room and we have a couch and we put the set on the wall opposing the couch and don't put the couch in the middle of the room but at the other end, you know. There may be a coffee table in the middle maybe.

Now BD gets continually hyped as this super-duper HD thing. Wow! 4x the detail! Super clarity! Wow! Home Cinema!

Except that for the screen size most shops sell and room size most people own (the living room being usually the largest in the house) you aren't getting those promised pixels, not unless you watch with binoculars or put your couch very close to the TV - but that kind of makes one look stupid. Of course most people won't even do that and think they're seeing all 2 million pixels, meanwhile they could be watching a DVD and they wouldn't know it.

Look next time, instead of retyping the same thing over for you, just look at my previous posts, ok, Penguin?

So you are the one having all the say and our opinions do not count? Ok... then again non comprehenda. I do not even read all the "extras" so you can relate nothing to me. Talking of retyping, did you see how many times you referred to the graph. No Peter. Not again.

Ok! so we know now You will not buying into the 3D Gimmick so you made your point. Move on maybe? Spam another thread about the jAPANESE OR THE PAST. oK!

 

[I am Penguin]

BACK TO THE TOPIC.

For those that kept their Avatar Glasses there is good news.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/samsung-jvc-pick-reald-tech-for-their-new-3d-lcd-televisions/

Samsung, JVC pick RealD tech for their new 3D LCD televisions
By Richard Lawler posted Jan 4th 2010 3:15PM
A part of 3D's assault on the home theater this year is a battle over which glasses technology each manufacturer will choose, and after locking up Sony RealD has announced its tech is coming alongside new displays from JVC and Samsung. While JVC's 3D LCDs will use circular polarized passive glasses (like the ones you've probably worn at the movies) Samsung is promising to work on both active shutter LCD and passive eyewear models -- no word yet on any Gucci tie-ins, but it's still early.

I hoped Sony would use that concept on the PS3 but it seems they opted for the Shutter glasses instead.Bleh! well just more expensive then. We will wait and see!

 

[Dolby]

Oh wow ... PeterCH said everything I would have said :/

And to think IAP started this because I posted DVD vs Blu Ray sales in the first 2 years of life and mentioned about negligable difference between the two ....

 

[Dolby]

IAP still doesn't quite believe there is a system that is 5.1, upscaled DVD that could match and better the PS3 ...

And PeterCH - apart from the super eyes, he has super ears that can can tell the day/night difference between lossles and lossy compression on a *cough* Sony system. Hell, with Revel speakers, seperate Bryston power amplifiers in a controlled room at the Dolby HO they couldn't tell the difference ... but IAP with a PS#, connected to a Sony in his lounge can ...

 

[I am Penguin]

Oh wow ... PeterCH said everything I would have said :/

And to think IAP started this because I posted DVD vs Blu Ray sales in the first 2 years of life and mentioned about negligable difference between the two ....

Really, do not rate yourself so high. I do nothing because You did anything, unlike YOU. So please do not start again.

Leave this thread on topic and take your feud somewhere else!

 

[Dolby]

Really, do not rate yourself so high. I do nothing because You did anything, unlike YOU. So please do not start again.

Leave this thread on topic and take your feud somewhere else!

You're not interested in starting up again? Really? C'mon ... where your sense of excitement!

Tell me how you can see or hear things 'normal' people can't ... please?

 

[I am Penguin]

3D firmware update for the PlayStation 3 this summer

Sony already announced weeks ago that the PlayStation 3 will soon support 3D video playback. Now, reports suggest that this might even be included in version 3.20 of the device’s firmware.


February 12, 2010 — Sony is expected to release a firmware update (version 3.20) for the PS3 in summer 2010; according to reports, this will bring 3D compatibility to the popular games console. John Koller

Not so far off!

 

[CHURCHILL]

IAP still doesn't quite believe there is a system that is 5.1, upscaled DVD that could match and better the PS3 ...
QUOTE]

Dolby, I honestly cant see how this upscaled DVD system could match or better the PS3 blu ray capabilities, surely using a full HD 1080p 46" LCD screen with 1080p blu ray movie must look better then upscaled DVD on that same screen.

Unless you are talking about all this being played back on a 32" or smaller telly.

 

[noxibox]

EDIT: so that is about 5' for a 42" 1080p screen? That's tiny, I'd be half way across my lounge! Wow even a 60" screen is barely worth it! Guess I'll be waiting a while then

Even 5' is more than the THX recommended distance. It does depend on preference of course. Some people go to the cinema and choose to sit at the back, so the screen looks like a big TV, others, like the THX guys, want immersion, so they'll sit at a distance where the screen dominates their view.

2Dolby, I honestly cant see how this upscaled DVD system could match or better the PS3 blu ray capabilities, surely using a full HD 1080p 46" LCD screen with 1080p blu ray movie must look better then upscaled DVD on that same screen.

Unless you are talking about all this being played back on a 32" or smaller telly.

The size of the display is irrelevant as long as the viewing distance is adjusted. Upscaled DVD looks really good. It is amazing that it can be made to look that good, but my limited experience of blu-ray has shown it to be clearly superior. However viewing distance matters, and for most people upscaled DVD is going to be good enough. The other factor is that rental outlets are full of a wide range of DVDs, but not all have blu-ray yet, and those that do usually have a small selection. On the sound side blu-ray is superior. Not because of the lossless formats, but because DTS is more common and even when it is DD it is most likely to be 640kbs. There again though the average person with an integrated surround system is not likely to be able to hear the difference.

 

[Dolby]

IAP still doesn't quite believe there is a system that is 5.1, upscaled DVD that could match and better the PS3 ...
QUOTE]

Dolby, I honestly cant see how this upscaled DVD system could match or better the PS3 blu ray capabilities, surely using a full HD 1080p 46" LCD screen with 1080p blu ray movie must look better then upscaled DVD on that same screen.

Unless you are talking about all this being played back on a 32" or smaller telly.

I didn't say that ... in fact I have *never* said that - and you're welcome to search and quote?

What I *have* said and always maintained is the difference between Blu Ray and upscaled DVD is small. What this means is there is a difference, but it's small. If someone comes on with a 46" screen and tells me a) How fantastic and magical Blu Ray is and b) How super amazing lossles sounds, they instantly loss credibilty.

 

[Dolby]

It is amazing that it can be made to look that good, but my limited experience of blu-ray has shown it to be clearly superior.

+1

This forum isn't the first to have this debate and the fact it is still going on shows you how close the two actually are.

On the sound side blu-ray is superior. Not because of the lossless formats, but because DTS is more common and even when it is DD it is most likely to be 640kbs. There again though the average person with an integrated surround system is not likely to be able to hear the difference.

+1

 

[CHURCHILL]

I didn't say that ... in fact I have *never* said that - and you're welcome to search and quote?

What I *have* said and always maintained is the difference between Blu Ray and upscaled DVD is small. What this means is there is a difference, but it's small. If someone comes on with a 46" screen and tells me a) How fantastic and magical Blu Ray is and b) How super amazing lossles sounds, they instantly loss credibilty.

I apologise, i misunderstood your post then, i agree with you about the lossless sound, i cannot hear a difference. It all depends on what setup and what the quality of that setup is.

I have a LG DVD player, that has 1080p upscalling with a HDMI port, and it does look slightly better then a normal DVD, but does not come close to watching a blu-ray movie from the PS3.

I have 46" full HD 1080P sony LCD (Bravia3) KLV46V550 to be exact, its not the best, but not the worst either, i sit about 3 meters away from it, and watching movies like District9 (bluray) is wonderfull. each to his own i suppose.

 

[undesign]

What I *have* said and always maintained is the difference between Blu Ray and upscaled DVD is small. What this means is there is a difference, but it's small. If someone comes on with a 46" screen and tells me a) How fantastic and magical Blu Ray is and b) How super amazing lossles sounds, they instantly loss credibilty.

To my eyes decent BR rips looks better on my 40" Panny plasma than upscaled DVD - distance 1-2m depending on which couch I sit. Not a huge difference, but noticeable nonetheless. Sound? I only have 5.1 so it's I have no idea.

 

[Lemon369]

100% agree wtih noxi, i'm no videophile (as rest of the mainstream market) but concensus is Blu-ray is noticeably superior on any size screen...my PS3 is connected to a 23" monitor and i can tell the difference....and definitely on the 32" as well..so yes, it's all about viewing distance, i sit less than a meter from my 23"...

@Dolby & PeterCH : You realise in the technology world that progression is incremental (and sometimes revolutionary - e.g. analogue to digital)... If you are any type of video or tech enthusiast, stuff like unit sales means nothing...we can least all agree that Blu-ray from a technology perspective is a necessary increment from DVD, it's just an evolutionary step and i can't understand anyone knocking it down...it's the same form factor, it uses the same technology (bar a different laser)...so here's all the pro's of the new format :

1. HD TV format
2. 3D TV format
3. High-Capacity gaming format
4. High-Capacity physical storage format
5. Scratch resistant

Here's the cons :

1. Cost (So i don't have a blu-ray writer yet to back up all my personal photo's (well over 10gb's), music (about 100gb) or other files (100gb)...all copied on over 50 dvd's, that would be less than 10 single layer blu-ray's...players and movie titles are still a wee too expensive for my taste)

Talking about sales....dvd didn't require a broader investment as blu-ray does...so you need new cables (HDMI), new TV (HD) and the player.....dvd only required the player... I recently saw the (shocking) stats of x-box 360 owners adoption of HD (panels)..and it was a significant percentage that still do their gaming on SD TV's....3D again, is an evolutionary step in TV, immersive at best and invasive at worst...personal preference...

But we can continue pretending using a new laser to increase capacity on optical disks is anything but great irrespective of your perceived quality of the HD video...we can also pretend the quality of the format relates in any way to sales or adoption...i mean, a silly thing like recession could hugely skew the adoption of a new format...i for one wasn't interested in hte last 18 months investing in any technology that would cost mroe than R2000....luckily i already had 3 hd panels and a PS3....

So to ignore all the ignorant posts, i'm personallly very happy to see the progression of the formats (BR & 3D), it's better it's earlier in this adoption cycle rather than 3-4 years from now, it means that many of us still only invested reasonable amounts in the current technologies and can plan for the broader adoption (incl. purchase of a 120+mhz panel) and then have the choice to use it or not use it...

 

[Dolby]

I apologise, i misunderstood your post then, i agree with you about the lossless sound, i cannot hear a difference. It all depends on what setup and what the quality of that setup is.

No worries ...

... regarding the setup, you may be right - but if you Google there are guys with big Yamaha's and Onkyo systems that can barely - if at all - hear any difference. The big thing that cnovinced me how small (negligable?) it really was, was the following link : http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby_TrueHD_DTS-MA_versus_Uncompressed_PCM

Pay attention to the controlled environment at Dolby labs (which conforms to some listening evaluation specification) as well as the equipment they use too, which is pretty high end.

I have a LG DVD player, that has 1080p upscalling with a HDMI port, and it does look slightly better then a normal DVD, but does not come close to watching a blu-ray movie from the PS3.

I have 46" full HD 1080P sony LCD (Bravia3) KLV46V550 to be exact, its not the best, but not the worst either, i sit about 3 meters away from it, and watching movies like District9 (bluray) is wonderfull. each to his own i suppose.

I've got a very similar screen (Samsung LA-B650) and I'm using a Marantz DV7600 to upscale DVD's. Also, not the best but not the worst and was a fairly decent mid level player a few years ago. Different players upscale differently?

Despite what I've seen - I've also read blind tests and although there is a slight difference, it is marginal and not nearly as large as some people claim

 

[Kerrrang!]

I thought this thread was about 3D?...
Anyways, why does everyone seem to have such an issue with BR adoption? Does it matter if it's comparatively slightly less or more than what DVD adoption was? It's here and it's here to stay. If you don't like BR, stick to your DVD player that upscales (just ensure proper viewing distance).

And please, will all these people telling Dolby that Blu-ray is "magical and fantastical" just shut the hell up? Guy might get some kind of complex, what with people telling him the PS3 is "uber best at everything and anything" and now people telling him Blu-ray is "magical and fantastical", he must think he's being targeted as some kind of gullible fool who'll just eat up any old piece of drivel.

 

[RazedInBlack]

I thought this thread was about 3D?...
Anyways, why does everyone seem to have such an issue with BR adoption? Does it matter if it's comparatively slightly less or more than what DVD adoption was? It's here and it's here to stay. If you don't like BR, stick to your DVD player that upscales (just ensure proper viewing distance).

And please, will all these people telling Dolby that Blu-ray is "magical and fantastical" just shut the hell up? Guy might get some kind of complex, what with people telling him the PS3 is "uber best at everything and anything" and now people telling him Blu-ray is "magical and fantastical", he must think he's being targeted as some kind of gullible fool who'll just eat up any old piece of drivel.

Na! Dolby likes being humoured!

 

[guru_pitka]

I thought this thread was about 3D?...
Anyways, why does everyone seem to have such an issue with BR adoption? Does it matter if it's comparatively slightly less or more than what DVD adoption was? It's here and it's here to stay. If you don't like BR, stick to your DVD player that upscales (just ensure proper viewing distance).

And please, will all these people telling Dolby that Blu-ray is "magical and fantastical" just shut the hell up? Guy might get some kind of complex, what with people telling him the PS3 is "uber best at everything and anything" and now people telling him Blu-ray is "magical and fantastical", he must think he's being targeted as some kind of gullible fool who'll just eat up any old piece of drivel.

thanks for mentioning that as I thought I was the only one who noticed

 

[Oculate]

Erf managed to finish page 3 before getting bored

PeterCH, you'd have better luck arguing with rza

 

[SmartKit]

I didn't say that ... in fact I have *never* said that - and you're welcome to search and quote?

What I *have* said and always maintained is the difference between Blu Ray and upscaled DVD is small. What this means is there is a difference, but it's small. If someone comes on with a 46" screen and tells me a) How fantastic and magical Blu Ray is and b) How super amazing lossles sounds, they instantly loss credibilty.

So wait until BD players are the same as current DVD players before making the jump? The cost versus benefits don't seem to make sense...