Blu-ray 3D specifications finalized, your PS3 is ready!

[Dolby]

I simplyreplied to this :

In 2009 we saw Blu-ray firmly establish itself as the most rapidly adopted packaged media format ever introduced," said Matsuda

With this :

Doubt it was quicker adopted than DVD though. DVD offered a massive benefits over the format before (resolution, sound, convenience etc) so was quickly adaopted. There also was no format war and consumers were keen to buy. By comparisson, Blu Ray doesn't offer a huge leap over DVD - with slight resolutiion and sound - and with the format, it was pretty slow to get buy in.

I'm guessing maybe they mean by units sold (BR vs DVD players) - and in that case they're taking into account the almost 30 million PS3 out there. Of those, you'll probably find 29,800,000 bought it for games as a primary function.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

According to Adams Media Research, high-definition software sales were slower in the first two years than standard DVD software sales.[46] 16.3 million standard DVD software units were sold in the first two years (1997–98) compared to 8.3 million high-definition software units (2006–07).[46][47] One reason given for this difference was the smaller marketplace (26.5 million HDTVs in 2007 compared to 100 million SDTVs in 1998).[

And since HD DVD was around in that period, we can take off those sales from the 8 mlillion odd HD ...

And didn't deserve this :

Yep, Thats interesting. How many BluRay titles have you watched!

..... Oh I remember now, we cannot see or hear the difference, its only a marketing gimmick and peoples imagination. DVD can supply all the same content on one disk, HD sound included, the extra capacity are not even required and are just a waste of space.

Is that's why there are such a slow uptake in the market you say?

What BluRay player do you have again?

I also remember You are an avid Home Theater enthusiast, yet what I find strange is that the general consensus on the AV forums are exactly the opposite and mostly if I am looking at the top echelon with avid fans setting up their own full theater rooms, mostly all have BluRay players feeding huge screens and projectors. Some of those serious enthusiasts even use the PS3 as player or BOTH. I must look hard to find ANY avid Enthusiast dishing BluRay titles, BluRay players and HD sound codecs like you do!

Strange indeed!

 

[Lemon369]

Blu-Ray is the official platform for the format (3D)...so 3D really relies on the success of blu-ray and a few other factors, market accepting the fact that they need to wear glasses when watching TV, re-purchasing a 120mhz panel, enough content being availabe....

I see the correlation...besides, if it brings 3d tv to the home, then it is magical and fantastical and couldn't care if Dolby has a fit

 

[noxibox]

I have a LG DVD player, that has 1080p upscalling with a HDMI port, and it does look slightly better then a normal DVD, but does not come close to watching a blu-ray movie from the PS3.

I have 46" full HD 1080P sony LCD (Bravia3) KLV46V550 to be exact, its not the best, but not the worst either, i sit about 3 meters away from it, and watching movies like District9 (bluray) is wonderfull. each to his own i suppose.

I'm inclined to doubt any normal player will have a particularly good upscaler. Which means that most people are not going to get their DVDs looking their best. Can the PS3 upscale DVDs? I've read the Xbox 360 can and does it quite well. (Can I mention the 360 in a thread with name of the all singing, all dancing superconsole of the future in the title?)

I know the advertising of blu-ray on DVDs is to create awareness, but I wonder if it actually backfires a bit. They go on about the benefits of blu-ray, but of course the entire thing is on a DVD, so it looks like DVD. Some people may be intrigued and want to find out more, others might be thinking it looks and sounds like DVD, so why should I bother.

Three metres is further than THX's longest allowable distance. And twice their longest recommended distance.

Fry: But this is HDTV. It's got better resolution than the real world. (Futurama)

 

[I am Penguin]

I didn't say that ... in fact I have *never* said that - and you're welcome to search and quote?

What I *have* said and always maintained is the difference between Blu Ray and upscaled DVD is small. What this means is there is a difference, but it's small. If someone comes on with a 46" screen and tells me a) How fantastic and magical Blu Ray is and b) How super amazing lossles sounds, they instantly loss credibilty.

I always maintained that it is very clear when someone who never experienced a BluRay system and/or do not even own a BLuRay system then he is not one than can speak or dish the BluRay with credibility and therefore just do it for the sake of it as then such person looses all credibility. The notion that up-scaled graphics from standard DVD is the same as BluRay, as some claim is absurd and does not make sense at all as then there would not be such a huge market or uptake for it. The fact that every AV forum disagrees with that bold statement is a clear indication of the lack of substantiation of such claim. I would like to see the prove but as I doubt much scientific evidence exist and thus could not be presented thus we have to accept the bold statement was done due lack of experience and knowledge. Most if, not all, real..True.. HT enthusiasts own a BluRay player of sorts and the reason for that is not because they could have used just a standard upscaler to do the same but rather that the BluRay experience and quality in sound and display on a quality screen or projector far exceeds the experience on an upscaled DVD.

Now that we addressed that perception may we get back on topic about the "BluRay 3D specifications"

I wonder How Sony is going to implement the specifications if the PS3 HDMI are 1.4? Hmm, they must have a few tricks up their sleeve.

 

[RazedInBlack]

The notion that up-scaled graphics from standard DVD is the same as BluRay, as some claim is absurd and does not make sense at all as then there would not be such a huge market or uptake for it.

With that in mind, one has to wonder why the HDMI cable was invented!

 

[I am Penguin]

I thought this thread was about 3D?...
Anyways, why does everyone seem to have such an issue with BR adoption? Does it matter if it's comparatively slightly less or more than what DVD adoption was? It's here and it's here to stay. If you don't like BR, stick to your DVD player that upscales (just ensure proper viewing distance).

And please, will all these people telling Dolby that Blu-ray is "magical and fantastical" just shut the hell up? Guy might get some kind of complex, what with people telling him the PS3 is "uber best at everything and anything" and now people telling him Blu-ray is "magical and fantastical", he must think he's being targeted as some kind of gullible fool who'll just eat up any old piece of drivel.

Yep another thread taken off topic!
Well we can see the trend in every Ps3 related thread. Its a repeat of the same over and over.


You have to wonder who targets all the PS3 threads deliberately. Just see who commented on anything but 3D most posts!

Yep. I understand that the new 3D standards in TV's would not add up to much difference in price. It would be interesting to see if that will hold up to the claims.

 

[I am Penguin]

I'm inclined to doubt any normal player will have a particularly good upscaler. Which means that most people are not going to get their DVDs looking their best. Can the PS3 upscale DVDs? I've read the Xbox 360 can and does it quite well. (Can I mention the 360 in a thread with name of the all singing, all dancing superconsole of the future in the title?)

I know the advertising of blu-ray on DVDs is to create awareness, but I wonder if it actually backfires a bit. They go on about the benefits of blu-ray, but of course the entire thing is on a DVD, so it looks like DVD. Some people may be intrigued and want to find out more, others might be thinking it looks and sounds like DVD, so why should I bother.

Three metres is further than THX's longest allowable distance. And twice their longest recommended distance.

Fry: But this is HDTV. It's got better resolution than the real world. (Futurama)

Ps3 scales fairly well depending on the media to be upscaled. Unfortunately Upscaling cannot be done as far as I know in a 3D context thus we need another thread and topic to address and debate that particular area.

 

[Dolby]

I always maintained that it is very clear when someone who never experienced a BluRay system and/or do not even own a BLuRay system

Oh? Didn't realise things change so much from the months ago when I used it. I only tried 1080p on a 1080p 46" What resolution are they now?

The notion that up-scaled graphics from standard DVD is the same as BluRay, as some claim is absurd and does not make sense at all

Who said that? That is absurd!

The fact that every AV forum disagrees with that bold statement is a clear indication of the lack of substantiation of such claim. I would like to see the prove but as I doubt much scientific evidence exist and thus could not be presented thus we have to accept the bold statement was done due lack of experience and knowledge.

Very quickly ...

http://hometheater.about.com/od/blurayandhddvd/f/blurayhddvd2.htm
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6859904-1.html
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6859904-1.html
http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/uan/1022
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=1301519

All point to a small difference. But no one did say they're idenitcal. Now what? :/

Most if, not all, real..True.. HT enthusiasts own a BluRay player of sorts and the reason for that is not because they could have used just a standard upscaler to do the same but rather that the BluRay experience and quality in sound and display on a quality screen or projector far exceeds the experience on an upscaled DVD.

Really? How many true HT enthusiasts do you know? What equipment do they use? They have serious equipment if nothing could be detected (sound wise) in the Dolby Labs room.

Eagerly awaiting your reply

 

[Kerrrang!]

So back to 3D....
Apparently the sets will only cost $200 - $300 dollars more than current comparitives. So you 46" HDTV will cost aprrox +-$200 more than whatever you're currently paying for it.

All i know is i'm seriously looking forward to this tech. Sony's got loads of 3D Bravias demo'd throughout North America currently with some PS3 games on demo and if user comments are anything to go by, it's sounding fantastic. Struggling to find the link now, but one guy said the effect was even better than cinema 3D, where he tested it from very skewed angles. Sure, it's only user reviews but i think, especially for gaming, the potential is huge.

 

[Dolby]

You have to wonder who targets all the PS3 threads deliberately. Just see who commented on anything but 3D most posts!

Go back and check who did it ... ?

 

[Dolby]

So back to 3D....
Apparently the sets will only cost $200 - $300 dollars more than current comparitives. So you 46" HDTV will cost aprrox +-$200 more than whatever you're currently paying for it.

All i know is i'm seriously looking forward to this tech. Sony's got loads of 3D Bravias demo'd throughout North America currently with some PS3 games on demo and if user comments are anything to go by, it's sounding fantastic. Struggling to find the link now, but one guy said the effect was even better than cinema 3D, where he tested it from very skewed angles. Sure, it's only user reviews but i think, especially for gaming, the potential is huge.

Some people are saying you just need a 120hz panel - but surely there's more to it? Otherwise a firmware upgrade would take all current120hz panels and make trhem 3D - without the need for a new range?

 

[RazedInBlack]

Go back and check who did it ... ?

Uhm!

. . . Dolby . . . Timgaul . . . Nduimiso . . . GUILTY! as charged!

 

[Dolby]

Uhm!

. . . Dolby . . . Timgaul . . . Nduimiso . . . GUILTY! as charged!

Um ... no?

The first article/link mentioned sales between the two formats - which I said I disagree. This is a forum and I can disagree - how exactly is that wrong? :/

 

[RazedInBlack]

Um ... no?

The first article/link mentioned sales between the two formats - which I said I disagree. This is a forum and I can disagree - how exactly is that wrong? :/

Not wrong at all! What kind of forum would this be if we all agreed?

 

[I am Penguin]

Oh? Didn't realise things change so much from the months ago when I used it. I only tried 1080p on a 1080p 46" What resolution are they now?



Who said that? That is absurd!



Very quickly ...

http://hometheater.about.com/od/blurayandhddvd/f/blurayhddvd2.htm
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6859904-1.html
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6859904-1.html
http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/uan/1022
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=1301519

All point to a small difference. But no one did say they're idenitcal. Now what? :/



Really? How many true HT enthusiasts do you know? What equipment do they use? They have serious equipment if nothing could be detected (sound wise) in the Dolby Labs room.

Eagerly awaiting your reply

Lets eagerly get back on topic. The topic is about 3D as even Kerrang pointed out twice+
Thanks.

 

[Dolby]

Lets eagerly get back on topic. The topic is about 3D as even Kerrang pointed out twice+
Thanks.

Deal

Some people are saying you just need a 120hz panel - but surely there's more to it? Otherwise a firmware upgrade would take all current120hz panels and make trhem 3D - without the need for a new range?

Anyone know if a firmware update will do enable a current 120hz TV?

 

[I am Penguin]

Um ... no?

The first article/link mentioned sales between the two formats - which I said I disagree. This is a forum and I can disagree - how exactly is that wrong? :/

Nothing wrong with the disagreement but please get back on topic which is Bluray 3D and specifications.

 

[SmartKit]

Um ... no?

The first article/link mentioned sales between the two formats - which I said I disagree. This is a forum and I can disagree - how exactly is that wrong? :/

This seems a bit like the Ford ST forum where everyone pats each other on the back and congratulates each other for being so clever for buying a PS3. Why has this I Am Penguin guy even used PS3 in the thread title, this is supposed to be about Bluray 3D, not a games console surely? I mean, there are plenty of other Bluray players to choose from, why is this even in the gaming section?

 

[SmartKit]

Nothing wrong with the disagreement but please get back on topic which is Bluray 3D and specifications.

Maybe then you shouldn't have brought up PS3. Isn't there a multimedia section for this kind of thing?

 

[Kerrrang!]

Anyone know if a firmware update will do enable a current 120hz TV?

AFAIK, no, although i am speaking under correction. It would be awesome though since it would mean from the get go a lot more consumers will have access to the tech, but as i understand it, you need a 3D source (ie PS3 after the firmware upgrade), and a 3D enabled display device.

I've been postponing upgrading my HDTV for about 2 years now, simply because i knew 3D was in the pipeline. IF the sets get good reviews, guess i'll finally have a reason to upgrade.