Blu Ray alive and well?

[PeterCH]

Japanese firms including Sony, Nissan Motor and Hitachi have announced massive job cuts in response to the country's deepening economic woes.

The government estimates at least 125,000 temporary contract workers have been laid off or will be fired by March when the fiscal year ends.

As the growth data was released, hundreds of sacked workers protested outside the headquarters of major companies, calling for better social security.

Temporary worker Hideo Yamamoto, 34, who said he was suddenly dismissed in December from truckmaker Isuzu Motors, said his meagre savings were now stretched thin.

"I don't know if I can continue to survive in the coming months," he told AFP. "It's unfair that companies treat regular and non-regular workers separately. I have lost trust in companies.

AFP News. 16 Feb 09.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hz4c7es154kqVugEZIWE_cTRMClw

When I read that, and and hear from friends who say the same thing (they're not temp though) and see pages like the garbage PSU BD page posted by the OP,
and how BD-burners are outselling DVD-recorders in Japan (side link on that page) - I just shake my head.

 

[I am Penguin]

Hm....Looks like someone wasted R3000 on a Blu Ray player and needs to justify the expense.

Nope, got one for "free".

 

[I am Penguin]

AFP News. 16 Feb 09.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hz4c7es154kqVugEZIWE_cTRMClw

When I read that, and and hear from friends who say the same thing (they're not temp though) and see pages like the garbage PSU BD page posted by the OP,
and how BD-burners are outselling DVD-recorders in Japan (side link on that page) - I just shake my head.

Explain to me the bearing or what that link has to do with the topic, which by the way was a question about Blu Ray, and how that link disputes the posted information about Blu Ray successes.

If you want to discuss your and the world economic woes then start a new thread. Here the question was whether the Blu Ray was alive and well with links given to the supporting news items and you make it your duty to dish that information based of a link to the Japan economy. The same effect would be equal on all technologies yet Blu Ray is doing quiet well under the circumstances.

It not what you and the comrades want to happen, its about what is really happening regarding Blu Ray.

 

[metalcore]

Explain to me the bearing or what that link has to do with the topic, which by the way was a question about Blu Ray, and how that link disputes the posted information about Blu Ray successes.

If you want to discuss your and the world economic woes then start a new thread. Here the question was whether the Blu Ray was alive and well with links given to the supporting news items and you make it your duty to dish that information based of a link to the Japan economy. The same effect would be equal on all technologies yet Blu Ray is doing quiet well under the circumstances.

It not what you and the comrades want to happen, its about what is really happening regarding Blu Ray.

Lol yeah. Screw asia we don't want to hear about that all the time, especially if you like asia.

 

[CHURCHILL]

Those who own Blu-ray equipment and actually watch blu-ray content love what they see and support blu-ray and its future all the way, those who dont have blu-ray equipment and have never seen blu-ray content say its a waste of money and a dying format. Now the question is, who do we believe and who is right.

 

[PeterCH]

Those who own Blu-ray equipment and actually watch blu-ray content love what they see and support blu-ray and its future all the way, those who dont have blu-ray equipment and have never seen blu-ray content say its a waste of money and a dying format. Now the question is, who do we believe and who is right.

I own a BP Player and 3 HD panels capable of displaying it (Acer, Dell and by Hitachi) and I am not impressed to the extent that I would pay for it again given the chance. I've purchased half a dozen BDs and a boxset from BBC
and all in all at the end of it I can only say that it was a waste of money, effort and time. The technology is just a wrapper for media and tech companies to make more money, sadly the recession has hit them right at the time when they were (and judging by that site linked by the parent) punting for the use
of this 'tech'. Technology which only makes the makers rich is not the sort
of tech I want, the tech I want is the sort which improves my lot first and foremost irrespective of the makers. Disclaimer: I do not own any shares in Sony Corp or any other BD hardware or content partners.

 

[I am Penguin]

I own a BP Player and 3 HD panels capable of displaying it (Acer, Dell and by Hitachi) and I am not impressed to the extent that I would pay for it again given the chance. I've purchased half a dozen BDs and a boxset from BBC
and all in all at the end of it I can only say that it was a waste of money, effort and time. The technology is just a wrapper for media and tech companies to make more money, sadly the recession has hit them right at the time when they were (and judging by that site linked by the parent) punting for the use
of this 'tech'. Technology which only makes the makers rich is not the sort
of tech I want, the tech I want is the sort which improves my lot first and foremost irrespective of the makers. Disclaimer: I do not own any shares in Sony Corp or any other BD hardware or content partners.

So you have bad experiences or do not know how to use or enjoy your advanced purchases. So leave others then to discuss the benefits and advantages they get out of it (or other readers/prospective buyers wanting to know more about it) without flooding the thread with personal opinions and mental begrudgement. The same what you were doing in the Windows 7 Beta thread and HD PVR thread and, and......Just get a life.

Just remain on topic and dispute the facts given about the Blue Ray beingn alive and well.

 

[PeterCH]

Explain to me the bearing or what that link has to do with the topic, which by the way was a question about Blu Ray, and how that link disputes the posted information about Blu Ray successes.

The site you linked is a SONY fansite or a SONY astroturf site, or maybe even funded by SONY entirely. Of course they will punt their product.

If you want to discuss your and the world economic woes then start a new thread. Here the question was whether the Blu Ray was alive and well with links given to the supporting news items and you make it your duty to dish that information based of a link to the Japan economy. The same effect would be equal on all technologies yet Blu Ray is doing quiet well under the circumstances.

Of course BD is 'alive' and 'well' - its being sold. It's also the only mainstream format to carry movies in HD, until HD download services become available and B/W becomes cheap enough. What I do not buy is that it is as popular as the site suggests as that does not reflect the reality of what I'm reading about 1. Sony et al, retrenching workers. 2. People in America, Europe, Japan and elsewhere worried about their jobs, loosing their jobs and homes and cars, and 3. The expensive nature of HD panels, BD movies and players.
There are numerous studies which show that most ppl cannot tell HD from SD even and at low distances and small screens (40inch) that's scientifically correct with the physiology of the human eye.
(BD is the only way to get a movie in HD. Some people will buy it regardless. Some people bought LD and even HD-VHS.)

It not what you and the comrades want to happen, its about what is really happening regarding Blu Ray.

Comrades? You're the commie here, punting rubbish tech to people who are in debt. Thanks but no thanks. Go buy some shares in SONY.

 

[CHURCHILL]

I own a BP Player and 3 HD panels capable of displaying it (Acer, Dell and by Hitachi) and I am not impressed to the extent that I would pay for it again given the chance. I've purchased half a dozen BDs and a boxset from BBC
and all in all at the end of it I can only say that it was a waste of money, effort and time. The technology is just a wrapper for media and tech companies to make more money, sadly the recession has hit them right at the time when they were (and judging by that site linked by the parent) punting for the use
of this 'tech'. Technology which only makes the makers rich is not the sort
of tech I want, the tech I want is the sort which improves my lot first and foremost irrespective of the makers. Disclaimer: I do not own any shares in Sony Corp or any other BD hardware or content partners.

Valid points, I on the other hand enjoy blu-ray and think it is a great improvement and cannot wait for this format to become main stream.

I agree that it can be a bit costly to get started, full HD telly, BD player and decent surround sound system.

 

[PeterCH]

So you have bad experiences or do not know how to use or enjoy your advanced purchases. So leave others then to discuss the benefits and advantages they get out of it (or other readers/prospective buyers wanting to know more about it without flooding the thread with personal opinions and mental begrudgement. The same what you were doing in the Windows 7 Beta thread and HD PVR thread and, and......Just get a life.

Dude this is a public forum. It's not your own site. If you said what you just said I can also say that you're just punting tech most ppl do not want and will not use. You paid by SONY or own shares in them?

Just remain on topic and dispute the facts given about the Blue Ray beingn alive and well.

My posts are on-topic.

 

[PeterCH]

Valid points, I on the other hand enjoy blu-ray and think it is a great improvement and cannot wait for this format to become main stream.

I agree that it can be a bit costly to get started, full HD telly, BD player and decent surround sound system.

Look HD is nice. If you sit close enough or own a big enough set. However what the punters are pushing is 40 inch sets at high distances. That's what's sold at shops these days - AV to Makro to Game.

The way I see it is that tech co's (Sony etc) are pushing for this but most
people aren't buying, especially now. It's just a new gimmick, it's nice but it's
very expensive and you can't even backup your expensive disks.

Anyhow you're welcome to love it but I hope you see that BD at this moment is just the newest way for tech/media companies to resell what they
already sold on DVD but at way more expensive prices.

 

[I am Penguin]

Dude this is a public forum. It's not your own site. If you said what you just said I can also say that you're just punting tech most ppl do not want and will not use. You paid by SONY or own shares in them?



My posts are on-topic.

No! you dispute information given without giving evidence to support your view on the topic. Then you harper on the economy and why the technology under discussion is not good or wanted (BY You) at this time and reference to the Japan economy in strife to prove your point which is off topic.

And no I have no affiliation with any company or supplier. I just wonder whats your agenda. Always against Sony, M$, DSTV, HD and any new format or technology. We are not all stuck with what we own and many are interested in the new technology that you so willingly shoot down.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

My posts are on-topic.

What did Windows 7 have to do with this?

And I'm sure you'll be more than happy to go out and buy Snow Leopard or a new Mac sometime, which won't offer anything amazing in terms of value for money. Others can do the same.

 

[PeterCH]

No! you dispute information given without giving evidence to support your view on the topic. Then you harper on the economy and why the technology under discussion is not good or wanted (BY You) at this time and reference to the Japan economy in strife to prove your point which is off topic.

Off topic? So you say that BD makers are not seeing drops in sales despite big lay offs in their own workforces and the workforces of companies which make HD TVs to watch your dear BDs on? If you don't see the connection then you need to find someone to point it out for you. You are just going off topic here making a fight for no reason. Grow up please. Stop making personal attacks when someone speaks pragmatically about your darling tech.

And no I have no affiliation with any company or supplier. I just wonder whats your agenda. Always against Sony, M$, DSTV, HD and any new format or technology. We are not all stuck with what we own and many are interested in the new technology that you so willingly shoot down.

Yes I am. I am against companies which push rubbish products or behave in consumer unfriendly ways or just monopolise their position.

I'm not shooting down the tech but the actual commercial application thereof:

1. BD is too expensive.
2. BD is very slow to load.
3. It is loaded with DRM - so can't backup.
4. BD licences are expensive.
5. HD panels are expensive.
6. Associate H/w is expensive.
7. For most part the differences between HD and SD are not discernible to the user viewer unless he sits within 3.5 screen heights of his set. With 40 inch sets and people owning houses, at least here, I don't know how that is.
8. Punters are pushing BD at a time people should invest in better education, buying shares, spending more on essentials or saving - because of the global liquidity crisis.

Furthermore SONY has often meant suckage. I could mention rootkits
for one. Killing off the HD-DVD competitor and increasing their prices another point.

M$ is monopoly central. The US DOJ and the European Commission have proved it.

DStv - I pay my premium subs. No complaints about them.

HD - I like HD but buying tiny HD sets and sitting far from them is NOT real HD.

Anyway I'm tired of arguing with you. Please cut the ad hominem attacks. The fact that you mention other issues (Windows 7) means you have some prejudiced views here. You also hit on Tim Gaul in your signature. You appear not to be able to play nicely with others.

 

[PeterCH]

What did Windows 7 have to do with this?

And I'm sure you'll be more than happy to go out and buy Snow Leopard or a new Mac sometime, which won't offer anything amazing in terms of value for money. Others can do the same.

I am Penguin brought that up:
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=2559158&postcount=5

Yeah? You never look at facts! Just remain against anything that begrudge your own mind. Fact is you will be proven wrong again.

Thats includes windows7

See he started it. I didn't. Please ask him or her why they brought it up.
Obviously because we disagreed on Win 7 in another thread and he has personal issues.

 

[I am Penguin]

Off topic? So you say that BD makers are not seeing drops in sales despite big lay offs in their own workforces and the workforces of companies which make HD TVs to watch your dear BDs on? If you don't see the connection then you need to find someone to point it out for you. You are just going off topic here making a fight for no reason. Grow up please. Stop making personal attacks when someone speaks pragmatically about your darling tech.



Yes I am. I am against companies which push rubbish products or behave in consumer unfriendly ways or just monopolise their position.

I'm not shooting down the tech but the actual commercial application thereof:

1. BD is too expensive.
2. BD is very slow to load.
3. It is loaded with DRM - so can't backup.
4. BD licences are expensive.
5. HD panels are expensive.
6. Associate H/w is expensive.
7. For most part the differences between HD and SD are not discernible to the user viewer unless he sits within 3.5 screen heights of his set. With 40 inch sets and people owning houses, at least here, I don't know how that is.
8. Punters are pushing BD at a time people should invest in better education, buying shares, spending more on essentials or saving - because of the global liquidity crisis.

Furthermore SONY has often meant suckage. I could mention rootkits
for one. Killing off the HD-DVD competitor and increasing their prices another point.

M$ is monopoly central. The US DOJ and the European Commission have proved it.

DStv - I pay my premium subs. No complaints about them.

HD - I like HD but buying tiny HD sets and sitting far from them is NOT real HD.

Anyway I'm tired of arguing with you. Please cut the ad hominem attacks. The fact that you mention other issues (Windows 7) means you have some prejudiced views here. You also hit on Tim Gaul in your signature. You appear not to be able to play nicely with others.

Still no discussion on anything about the topic. Blu Ray is doing well under the circumstances, even during this reccession. Give me the evidence that it is not and that it is a failing or dying format as some of you guys claim.

 

[PeterCH]

What did Windows 7 have to do with this?

And I'm sure you'll be more than happy to go out and buy Snow Leopard or a new Mac sometime, which won't offer anything amazing in terms of value for money. Others can do the same.

Everyone can do what they want. I'm just stating why I'm against the marketing hype.

I prolly won't buy Snow Leopard. Leopard is good enough IMO.

 

[PeterCH]

Still no discussion on anything about the topic. Blu Ray is doing well under the circumstances, even during this reccession. Give me the evidence that it is not and that it is a failing or dying format as some of you guys claim.

Ok, prove to me why I should believe this:

In the most recent issue of Home Media Magazine, new Nielsen First Alert data is now reporting that Blu-ray sales represented 17% of the home video market for the week ending January 25th, a new record for the high definition format. The previous record of 16% was reached only a few weeks ago, and makes for some very impressive results for the month of January.

I don't see any validity there. How did they come up with those numbers?
Who did they question? Etc. ie methodology. That means nothing to me.

Secondly most economists say the crisis hasn't hit hard yet.
In Japan the home of BD H/W the crisis is only NOW (February) hitting hard.
Finally, how do these figures compare to DVD?
And also what is the mean price of those BDs vs our own price here?
Etc etc....

Proves nothing. You just see what the marketroids want you to see ie,
buy our stuff - everyone else is. Propaganda.

 

[I am Penguin]

Lets see your valued contribution to my question?

Your second post. Nothing about Blu Ray apart from your "friends" not wanting to buy it and then rant about the economy!

I know it's BS because I have a dozen contacts in Japan. These are ordinary people, reasonably well off and none of them are buying Bluray. They're all worried about their economy tanking like crazy. The BS posted on that site, is just BS. Sony is laying off staff. Pioneer is closing it's HD Kuro TV factories.
Panasonic is also laying off staff. It's not hitting you because we don't make these goods in SA but in Japan people are very worried and they are not
buying into this cr@p. There's a cr@pload of people who are temping over there and many will or have lost their jobs. The climate is just bad for a half-a-sed technology
like this.

Yeah Windows 7 is a dud. Why waste good money when your job is at risk when you can stick with XP and that Celeron or Pentium 4 machine, even C2D with XP.
If you got OEM Vista, even stay with that. There's no reason to upgrade unless 1. you have money to waste. 2. you need it to make more money. People are
loosing their homes, they won't worry about Win7. You need to experience this thing called life.... its more than just pretty GUI OS screens and latest 3D games.

Your first post: Nothing contributing to the topic but maybe can be seen as rather trolling considering your previous post in threads about the same topic!

Propaganda hehe pure and simple. World economy is on a downturn and these Sony idiots are going on about their BS product.

 

[I am Penguin]

Ok, prove to me why I should believe this:



I don't see any validity there. How did they come up with those numbers?
Who did they question? Etc. ie methodology. That means nothing to me.

Secondly most economists say the crisis hasn't hit hard yet.
In Japan the home of BD H/W the crisis is only NOW (February) hitting hard.
Finally, how do these figures compare to DVD?
And also what is the mean price of those BDs vs our own price here?
Etc etc....

Proves nothing. You just see what the marketroids want you to see ie,
buy our stuff - everyone else is. Propaganda.

Again nothing on topic but a begrudged rant!