Blu Ray alive and well?

Next... post a link to the Microsoft site, titled 'Zune alive and well' :)
 
Propaganda hehe pure and simple. World economy is on a downturn and these Sony idiots are going on about their BS product.
 
Just like dvd blu ray is next in line so we might as well get onboard as it will replace dvd's, so it is not a BS product.
 
PeterCH said:
Propaganda hehe pure and simple. World economy is on a downturn and these Sony idiots are going on about their BS product.
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Yeah? You never look at facts! Just remain against anything that begrudge your own mind. Fact is you will be proven wrong again. :D

Thats includes windows7 :p
 
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Blu-ray isn't going anywhere. It may not have the same penetration rates dvd had, but it won't become a failed concept either. Every PS3 game sold is a Blu-ray disk, which many people seem to forget when talking about disks, since they look at movie numbers only.

When some more movie classics get released onto Blu-ray, like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars, sales for those will be high because of the extra quality Blu-ray brings to the experience of the movie. I mean, imagine some of the scenes in Return of the King with DTS HD Master Audio blowing off your roof it's so pure and clean and life like. You can invite neighbours over and charge for that along with popcorn and refreshments lol :D
 
I am Penguin said:
Yeah? You never look at facts! Just remain against anything that begrudge your own mind. Fact is you will be proven wrong again. :D

Thats includes windows7 :p
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I know it's BS because I have a dozen contacts in Japan. These are ordinary people, reasonably well off and none of them are buying Bluray. They're all worried about their economy tanking like crazy. The BS posted on that site, is just BS. Sony is laying off staff. Pioneer is closing it's HD Kuro TV factories.
Panasonic is also laying off staff. It's not hitting you because we don't make these goods in SA but in Japan people are very worried and they are not
buying into this cr@p. There's a cr@pload of people who are temping over there and many will or have lost their jobs. The climate is just bad for a half-a-sed technology
like this.

Yeah Windows 7 is a dud. Why waste good money when your job is at risk when you can stick with XP and that Celeron or Pentium 4 machine, even C2D with XP.
If you got OEM Vista, even stay with that. There's no reason to upgrade unless 1. you have money to waste. 2. you need it to make more money. People are
loosing their homes, they won't worry about Win7. You need to experience this thing called life.... its more than just pretty GUI OS screens and latest 3D games.
 
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killadoob said:
Just like dvd blu ray is next in line so we might as well get onboard as it will replace dvd's, so it is not a BS product.
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It's a BS product in the current economic times. As mentioned SONY, Panasonic, Pioneer and everyone else is laying off staff and closing factories en masse. The worst of the crisis hasn't even reached yet. People in the US are not buying, people in the EU are not buying and people in Japan are not
buying.
 
I don't think it's a BS product. Blu-ray is the future of HD, there's no doubt about that, however, I do think it will take much longer for Blu-ray titles to be in most households than it did with DVD a decade ago.

I agree with the fact that the world is in an economic crisis at the moment, and countries like the US, UK and Japan are feeling the effects of the credit crunch far worse than we are at the moment.
I know that Sony has cut more than 16,000 jobs, Pioneer 10,000 jobs, Panasonic 15,000 jobs... the list goes on. Investment and research budgets have also been slashed, and as Peter stated, no one is buying.

Bad time for new technology.
 
I once read an article about how expensive it is to manufacture a blu-ray disc from a movie-house copy, people say that the licensing fees are insane when you take a movie to blu-ray, that is why only the big studios are doing it. Small time studios cannot afford the prices to produce these discs.

So there are a lot of classics out there (from small studios), that will never see blu-ray, and that in itself will be a problem, and the one thing I hate about sony (can't say I hate it about blu-ray as that is just a format), but sony on the other hand *spit*
 
genetic said:
I don't think it's a BS product. Blu-ray is the future of HD, there's no doubt about that, however, I do think it will take much longer for Blu-ray titles to be in most households than it did with DVD a decade ago.
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With current CMOS technology affordable 2K and 4K cameras are becoming available to low end professionals - a good 4K camera now costs what a mid range 1080p camera costs. We may just see 1080p HD BD being bypassed, I know this isn't going with the current liquidity crisis but the future of HD is now and it's a bad time for it. With 4K around the corner, and higher standards following that we may get IMAX like experience at home
(on paper at least) sooner than later. HD BD may become obsolete before it
even starts to take up. Then again most people don't need HD and so won't need 4K at home.

The SONY site posted at the beginning of this thread is BS propaganda IMO.
 
Gothan said:
I once read an article about how expensive it is to manufacture a blu-ray disc from a movie-house copy, people say that the licensing fees are insane when you take a movie to blu-ray, that is why only the big studios are doing it. Small time studios cannot afford the prices to produce these discs.

So there are a lot of classics out there (from small studios), that will never see blu-ray, and that in itself will be a problem, and the one thing I hate about sony (can't say I hate it about blu-ray as that is just a format), but sony on the other hand *spit*
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The classics like those for example found on www.criterionco.com don't even need BD treatment. Many of those films are from the 50s to 90s and were not
recorded on the best film stock or even with Panavision 35mm cameras. Besides the benefit of watching those films is beyond the ooh-and-ahh factor of space battles in high detail on huge 65" screens, it's to enjoy them for the story, the direction, the actors, the lighting, the music, etc. Hollywood on BD = Kitsch. CriterionCo like films = art.
 
PeterCH said:
I know it's BS because I have a dozen contacts in Japan. These are ordinary people, reasonably well off and none of them are buying Bluray. They're all worried about their economy tanking like crazy. The BS posted on that site, is just BS. Sony is laying off staff. Pioneer is closing it's HD Kuro TV factories.
Panasonic is also laying off staff. It's not hitting you because we don't make these goods in SA but in Japan people are very worried and they are not
buying into this cr@p. There's a cr@pload of people who are temping over there and many will or have lost their jobs. The climate is just bad for a half-a-sed technology
like this.

Yeah Windows 7 is a dud. Why waste good money when your job is at risk when you can stick with XP and that Celeron or Pentium 4 machine, even C2D with XP.
If you got OEM Vista, even stay with that. There's no reason to upgrade unless 1. you have money to waste. 2. you need it to make more money. People are
loosing their homes, they won't worry about Win7. You need to experience this thing called life.... its more than just pretty GUI OS screens and latest 3D games.
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What a economic rant. Get on topic, please. Sounds more like you fear something yourself?

So what you are proclaiming is that all further future developments should stop because of the economic climate or only those you begrudge for some reason? Fact is yes there are problems, people and companies are cutting back but looking at the future and considering the growth in future technologies should not stop because you have a problem. There are many that do not share your pain.
 
ROFL, this thread has gone one way. Blu Ray is dying a slow and painful death, shame.

:D
 
I am Penguin said:
What a economic rant. Get on topic, please. Sounds more like you fear something yourself?

So what you are proclaiming is that all further future developments should stop because of the economic climate or only those you begrudge for some reason? Fact is yes there are problems, people and companies are cutting back but looking at the future and considering the growth in future technologies should not stop because you have a problem. There are many that do not share your pain.
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I don't see BD as much as a new technological innovation as much as a new way for SONY to market existing movies ie resell their existing 1990 to 2006 catalogue which has been already sold as VHS, then DVD, then VHS-HD and now BD. It's a gimmick as far as I'm concerned. It's SONY and it's new proprietory format for it's games and it's movies (Sony Pictures Corp) and
licencing to others who are doing the same - WB, Disney, etc.

I would see it different if HD cams were prevalent, BD players were as cheap as DVD players, HD sets were cheap and right size and anyone could make a BD disk at home on his laptop or PC. As Jobs said, "BD is just a big bag of hurt" because of the DRM and proprietory expense of the format and also because most people don't need it. The second reason wouldn't matter if BD hardware (players, burners, disks and HD sets) were as cheap as non-HD/non-BD equipment.

In short I don't see this as new tech but a NEW way of taking money from people and especially now that is a poor idea.

I see Vista, 7 and the newest MS Office in the same light. Not new technology which improves the quality of peoples' lives and their work but
new tech which makes money for M$ but adds little improvement for anyone else.
 
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PeterCH said:
I don't see BD as much as a new technological innovation as much as a new way for SONY to market existing movies ie resell their existing 1990 to 2006 catalogue which has been already sold as VHS, then DVD, then VHS-HD and now BD. It's a gimmick as far as I'm concerned. It's SONY and it's new proprietory format for it's games and it's movies (Sony Pictures Corp) and
licencing to others who are doing the same - WB, Disney, etc.

I would see it different if HD cams were prevalent, BD players were as cheap as DVD players, HD sets were cheap and right size and anyone could make a BD disk at home on his laptop or PC. As Jobs said, "BD is just a big bag of hurt" because of the DRM and proprietory expense of the format and also because most people don't need it. The second reason wouldn't matter if BD hardware (players, burners, disks and HD sets) were as cheap as non-HD/non-BD equipment.

In short I don't see this as new tech but a NEW way of taking money from people and especially now that is a poor idea.
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So you expect everyting to happen overnight. Not considering the facts that BD is outperforming DVD in a shorter timespan, There is demand for BD as the news indicates. It becoming cheaper fast. It is complimenting the growth of HD, etc. These technologies are not to blame for the economic crisis, greed and corruption are the cause and there are examples that those traits are very prevailant in South Africa. Disconcerning but fact. Back on topic. Apart from your personal gripes with BD, Win7 and any new technology, I never see any prove or facts for the arguments you present apart from hearing about your friends in Japan.

One thing you are right about. It is all about making money. Thats bussiness.

Another reason? There are two new prominent games going to be released soon for the Xbox, both apparently have been cracked and posted on the net before official release. Now you wonder why Sony and the others wants DRM and what BD brings regards to safeguarding there rights and I know why some are dead set against it. Copyright theft, or the ability thereoff, must be a big thing for most who are set against the new technologies that protect digital rights. Specially in these difficult economic times we experience.:D
 
I am Penguin said:
So you expect everyting to happen overnight. Not considering the facts that BD is outperforming DVD in a shorter timespan, There is demand for BD as the news indicates. It becoming cheaper fast.
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Sorry don't see it becoming cheaper.

It is complimenting the growth of HD, etc. These technologies are not to blame for the economic crisis, greed and corruption are the cause and there are examples that those traits are very prevailant in South Africa.
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No-one said that those technologies were causing the crisis but while you're on this point most people cannot afford BD and high res TVs - they buy them on credit - at least in EU and USA. The credit crisis was exasperated by
the big loans people made which couldn't be repaid later, ie buying too much stuff, secondly the uneven balance between exports and imports between China et al and West - all contributed to the current liquidity crisis.

The times are hard, second only to 1929 and in these times buying into the luxury of a high res big screen TV, overpriced BD player and disks which are sometimes double the price of DVDs is irresponsible. As said the best TV out there for BD will no longer be made (Pioneer).

Disconcerning but fact. Back on topic. Apart from your personal gripes with BD, Win7 and any new technology, I never see any prove or facts for the arguments you present apart from hearing about your friends in Japan.
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Well it's common knowledge that the economy is tanking, that Pioneer, Sony, Sharp, Samsung and everyone else is laying people off. You can Google for it. There's all the proof.

One thing you are right about. It is all about making money. Thats bussiness.
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That's right. When the interests of the consumer and the manufacturer converge it becomes worthwhile to buy. When the manufacturer just wants to resell his catalogue on a new format which needs expensive overpriced hardware I see the interests of the manufacturer too divergent from the consumer.

Another reason? There are two new prominent games going to be released soon for the Xbox, both apparently have been cracked and posted on the net before official release. Now you wonder why Sony and the others wants DRM and what BD brings regards to safeguarding there rights and I know why some are dead set against it. Copyright theft, or the ability thereoff, must be a big thing for most who are set against the new technologies that protect digital rights. Specially in these difficult economic times we experience.:D
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There's a thing called Fair Use. If I'm buying a movie (or a licence to watch that movie as studios claim) I have full right to back it up or put it on my PC
and watch it there or on my iPod/Cowon player. DRM prevents me from doing
that. Anyway you look like a DRM apologist, enjoy your locked in XBOX games
and pretty Win7/Vista Eye-candy.
 
Hm....Looks like someone wasted R3000 on a Blu Ray player and needs to justify the expense.
 
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