Blu Ray alive and well?

Again nothing on topic but a begrudged rant!

No you quote a shill site which doesn't even explain it's methodology.
These sort of astroturf sites always push their own conclusions.
No proof there, just some quetionable market research ....

Thank you for linking to an ad site.
 
IAP managing to piss of whole new host of ppl I see.

*sigh* It never learns.
 
Holographics Discs is the new the dvd/blu ray type disc to talk about. This disc goes into production at the end of the year and its expected to be a blu ray killer.

The disc is capable of holding 300GB on a single layer... thats crazy

Imagine if they launch a dual or quad layer
 
http://www.dvd-intelligence.com/main_sections/news_archive/2003_free/11_bd_predictions.htm

Economic crisis pushes BD projections downward
That's also an article from punters ie Digital Entertainment Group.

In the same trend everything else, gaming sales, home sales, car sales Windows 7 and software sales, etc, etc, etc are all projected downward. Nobody says it is shutting down completely except Pioneer HDTV that could not compete anyway. Yet by looking at the Blu Ray links given and by looking at other successes like in the gaming world the fact is becoming clear that due to the expense of "entertainment" the home gaming and entertainment industry is booming even in these "crisis" times. You may cry fowl here but can do nothing to stop the technology advancement. Panasononic are expanding into 3D HD even during these "harsh economic" strife the world finds itself in. Maybe/definately it will slow down progress somewhat but nothing will stop progress unless we go into a major depression, then projects may be shelved for a while but the stronger boys like Sony, M$ will still survive, and thus make money for you to cry about, where others may fail .

So now: that link of "projections" by far is no conclusive proof that Blu Ray as the next and only generation HD DVD or mass storage media format is failing. Indeed rather maybe development on all the alternate technology projects may be shelved. The fact remains Blu Ray is here and now and the uptake is increasing all the time. Where are the alternate technologies everyone was punting on this forum? Hmmm.

Therefore comparitively speaking, under the "economic crisis", are Blu Ray alive and well? I would say YES! untill Sony and others indicates a drop for support of the format and then revert back to DVD or even tape or LP's for that matter.
 
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Holographics Discs is the new the dvd/blu ray type disc to talk about. This disc goes into production at the end of the year and its expected to be a blu ray killer.

The disc is capable of holding 300GB on a single layer... thats crazy

Imagine if they launch a dual or quad layer

Yeah, untill then we are still waiting! Care to give us the links to the information of the eminent mass production and deployment of the Holographics Discs and the hardware.
 
Wow this thread has heated up a lot, good grief.

People always complain when a new technology comes out, they don't want to replace older things that may still be working. If we as humans stuck to that principal, we'd still be using abacuses and have fishbowl black and white tv's.

Looking at the media formats, one can still play back and get vhs vcr's to this day, though it's getting harder. Dvd is pretty much the standard, but really, its had its day now and needs to go into the retirement phase. Back in 1997, its resolution and quality along with audio quality was amazing, but now it's just plain poor. Back then, a 4GB hard drive was insanely huge. Now, 1TB is like nothing. With that, we've been able to store better quality and bigger movies, to which you get used to. There's no going back after seeing a movie in HD.

Getting back to the point. The whole digital download idea is great but won't take off for a few years still. I mean, in the US, their ISP's are starting to introduce caps now, and some of those restrictions are equivalent to 2 Blu-ray disks. People want to watch far more than that, and don't want to wait for a download either. That's why a disk can't be beat yet.

Another thing. Most of those laid off workers will now be at home for a while. When a person is at home, you watch more home entertainment, and I'll bet a lot of those people already have HD tv's, if not BD players too.

Just because the world economy is going to pot, it doesn't mean everything suddenly stops. Life goes on
 
Wow this thread has heated up a lot, good grief.

People always complain when a new technology comes out, they don't want to replace older things that may still be working. If we as humans stuck to that principal, we'd still be using abacuses and have fishbowl black and white tv's.

There is a difference between a wrapper format (Sony Bluray) and High Definition video. It's a big difference. It's akin to comparing - DRM'ed Music from Microsoft in WMA format and general digital music. Sony Bluray is a region locked, HDCP protected, copy-protected format which requires a big
HD set to be worthwhile and even if not, it requires a new HDTV with HDCP
and an expensive player. The movies themselves are expensive.

Looking at the media formats, one can still play back and get vhs vcr's to this day, though it's getting harder. Dvd is pretty much the standard, but really, its had its day now and needs to go into the retirement phase. Back in 1997, its resolution and quality along with audio quality was amazing, but now it's just plain poor. Back then, a 4GB hard drive was insanely huge. Now, 1TB is like nothing. With that, we've been able to store better quality and bigger movies, to which you get used to. There's no going back after seeing a movie in HD.

Once again this is like comparing a Hard drive where Seagate tells you what you can have on the HD and a HD which is the way we know it. BD is a proprietory format designed to make $ for Sony and it's partners first and foremost and to that end astroturf and shill sites are everywhere. You're welcome to go ahead and buy BDs but to me - they just suck for the expense they incur.

Getting back to the point. The whole digital download idea is great but won't take off for a few years still. I mean, in the US, their ISP's are starting to introduce caps now, and some of those restrictions are equivalent to 2 Blu-ray disks. People want to watch far more than that, and don't want to wait for a download either. That's why a disk can't be beat yet.

I'm not sure about you but you should do a search for "Rapidshare", "usenet" and "torrent" on this forum to see how popular free downloads of movies and especially
current TV series are. Even DStv is complaining about torrents impinging on its profits. You're right that 50GB HD AVC movies with DD 7.1 will not make good sense to
download but most people don't need BIG SCREEN movies. They can enjoy 480p on their computer screens or even 720p H264 encoded episodes of Lost and Prison Break
those are being shared like mad. I'm not punting this as an alternative to disks - heck I have a huge library of rare DVDs and stuff which will not make it to BD for years,
but I can see that most people don't care for DVD let alonge super-expensive-DVD - the Sony Bluray.

Another thing. Most of those laid off workers will now be at home for a while. When a person is at home, you watch more home entertainment, and I'll bet a lot of those people already have HD tv's, if not BD players too.

I don't think you have an idea how serious the situation is. If you think people can just sit at home and buy blurays, you clearly have no realistic grip of what it means to be unemployed in the US, Europe or Japan. Besides someone who just got laid off has a perfectly good DVD player and cheap bargain bin DVDs to watch - why buy a new player when you have to queue up for welfare cheques - which BTW are not big enough to sustain BD purchases. You may as well say the sales of cologne will go up
as more fired people go to more interviews.

Just because the world economy is going to pot, it doesn't mean everything suddenly stops. Life goes on

Yes it does - in general terms. Overall there is less money to go around, companies lay off workers, they buy less. If all this was - was about some time off - people wouldn't mind. Things are very serious.
 
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In the same trend everything else, gaming sales, home sales, car sales Windows 7 and software sales, etc, etc, etc are all projected downward. Nobody says it is shutting down completely except Pioneer HDTV that could not compete anyway.

Every BD producer is laying off people and closing plants. I know they may decide to come up with a budget BD player at $150 but BD lasers are expensive to make and with reduced volumes they won't get cheaper.
Pioneer is just an extreme example. Everyone is laying off.

Yet by looking at the Blu Ray links given and by looking at other successes like in the gaming world the fact is becoming clear that due to the expense of "entertainment" the home gaming and entertainment industry is booming even in these "crisis" times.

A new Jupiter Research report found that 32% of online adults say they're cutting back on going to the movies. That's fewer than people who say they're doing less driving (63%), shopping (60%) and vacationing (44%), but nonetheless should sound some alarms in Hollywood.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2008/10/survey-says-bah.html

You may cry fowl here but can do nothing to stop the technology advancement.

It's not technology advancement. It's proprietory format advancement which is super expensive - after all SONY and Co want to recoup their R&D and make big profits, after all why else did they do away with DVD? Because the CHinese were making cheap players and people could buy movies online
or for dirt cheap from 3rd party makers. Sony couldn't charge R2500
for a DVD player anymore - which is what I paid in 2004.

BTW I don't want to stop it. You have some paranoid ideas with grandiosity there. I'm no activist and I won't stop anyone.
If people are STUPID enough to waste their last paycheques on overpriced garbage,
good for them. As said, I tried BD to see what the hype was about and after watching a half dozen movies I went back to DSTV and DVD and it looks the same for me.
Why? Because the human mind gets used to things. I have a set of $350 earphones here from Shure and they sound better by a good margin compared to standard
earplugs except I don't use them too often. After a while I forget the difference and the earbuds I use sound good enough. After a while the NOVELTY OF BD
wears off. You get used to the imagery. For me that was after the 3-4th disk. I no longer can justify a purchase of a movie on BD - not the garbage selection
of Hollywood junk sold here - but not even stuff overseas. Being an anime fan I even looked at some comparisons of HD 1080P anime vs SD anime (NTSC ie lower
res too) and side by side the difference is incredibly marginal for 2D cel drawn animation. In other words - the handful of titles available on BD in that genre -
it's NOT WORTH IT. It will be worth it when the BD costs the same or less than a DVD and when the BD player costs under R500. Right now, that's not on
the cards - not even at $150 - SA Price R2500 - that's too expensive and not worth it. Besides at least I can rip my DVDs to take them on the plane with me
on my portable video player. Good luck trying to rip BDs without destroying your HD and buying expensive 3rd party products.

You know ancient Rome provided FOOD and ENTERTAINMENT to keep the plebs in check. The Emperor knew that if he fed his people then gave them circus games
they'd be happy no matter what he did. BD may be the entertainment but someone will have to provide the food.

Panasononic are expanding into 3D HD even during these "harsh economic" strife the world finds itself in. Maybe/definately it will slow down progress somewhat but nothing will stop progress unless we go into a major depression, then projects may be shelved for a while but the stronger boys like Sony, M$ will still survive, and thus make money for you to cry about, where others may fail .

Dude you're saying incredibly obvious things. Of course hopefully the crisis won't become so bad that it shuts down everything but only a fool would understimate the greatest crisis (which is still beginning) since 1929. Some economists say this may even get worse than 1929. You do know that they had soup kitchens in the first world and Hitler came to power lagerly because
of the Gt Depression? To suggest it's cool to buy a R3500 player,
R300+ movies and a R20K TV at a time like this is crazy.

So now: that link of "projections" by far is no conclusive proof that Blu Ray as the next and only generation HD DVD or mass storage media format is failing. Indeed rather maybe development on all the alternate technology projects may be shelved. The fact remains Blu Ray is here and now and the uptake is increasing all the time. Where are the alternate technologies everyone was punting on this forum? Hmmm.

Alternative technologies? They will come in due course. Now is not the time to upgrade to expensive proprietory formats.

Therefore comparitively speaking, under the "economic crisis", are Blu Ray alive and well? I would say YES! untill Sony and others indicates a drop for support of the format and then revert back to DVD or even tape or LP's for that matter.

BD will not tank unless SONY et al stop pushing it. Stringer - the Ballmer of Sony is pushing this tech in all forms of ways, from fake comparisons of BD vs DVD (with DVD artificially made worse) in shops to website astroturfing.

Anyway BD is a big bag of hurt. It's not new. It's just a laser with a different wavelength ie not red for DVD but blue. It is however still 1. Region Locked.
2. Super expensive. 3. Expensive to licence. 4. HDCP protected which means people with older sets or sets with improper HDCP implementations have to buy a product like HDFury or trash their set and buy a new one. 5. Copy protected which means you can't backup your R350 investment or format shift to your video iPod. 6. Requires expensive equipment to take full advantage of. Buying a 40 inch full HD set won't cut it - unless you sit within a few feet of it ( http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/ ) and cheap LCDs all have junk contrast and colour reproduction (Sony et al are using this as one of the reasons to buy into BD) - in fact they're not cheap - R20K is not cheap - but for R20K you get junk colour reproduction and contrast. There are many things wrong with the PROPRIETARY LOCKED format called Bluray. The most important should be that people should not buy into it right now when the economy is bad. If they do, then they deserve to eat at soup kitchens.
 
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Peter. Its very simple. You are begrudged by any company that includes anything to protect their property against theft with DRM and then come up with your thumb sucked reasons to justify your attitude. You keep on addressing this topic and befuzzling this thread with your world economic woes exactly as you do in many other threads for the same reasons. Windows 7 beta comes to mind again. Lets discuss the Blu Ray issue on topic and lay of the rest of your personal gripes with SONY, M$, DRM and personal financial woes. If you really need to "copy" all the Blu Ray DVD's coming out, just wait a while longer and some hacker will make your day. For now we/some are willing to pay for our quality entertainment media and therefore have no gripes with SONY as long as we can enjoy quality Blu Ray HD media on a near perfect HomeTheatre system with 7.1 HDMaster sound quality on DRM protected disks, SAFE @ HOME (Praying) then we are happy. So one up for SONY Blu Ray that makes it possible, one down for the ageing DVD format.
 
Peter. Its very simple. You are begrudged by any company that includes anything to protect their property against theft with DRM and then come up with your thumb sucked reasons to justify your attitude. You keep on addressing this topic and befuzzling this thread with your world economic woes exactly as you do in many other threads for the same reasons. Windows 7 beta comes to mind again. Lets discuss the Blu Ray issue on topic and lay of the rest of your personal gripes with SONY, M$, DRM and personal financial woes. If you really need to "copy" all the Blu Ray DVD's coming out, just wait a while longer and some hacker will make your day. For now we/some are willing to pay for our quality entertainment media and therefore have no gripes with SONY as long as we can enjoy quality Blu Ray HD media on a near perfect HomeTheatre system with 7.1 HDMaster sound quality on DRM protected disks, SAFE @ HOME (Praying) then we are happy. So one up for SONY Blu Ray that makes it possible, one down for the ageing DVD format.

Your arguments are full of ad hominem attacks and non sequiturs.
Your current post looks like a ad for SONY. You can't stand when someone disagrees with you and you're not capable of refuting any serious arguments made against you even when shown evidence. LOL.

Anyway enjoy your DRMed media.
 
Your arguments are full of ad hominem attacks and non sequiturs.
Your current post looks like a ad for SONY. You can't stand when someone disagrees with you and you're not capable of refuting any serious arguments made against you even when shown evidence. LOL.

Anyway enjoy your DRMed media.

Simple fact: You discuss world economic woes and gripes against DRM in a Blu Ray thread while you punt its good that its more popular that people steal DRM content via the net. Your agenda and gripes are very clear.
 
BTW I don't want to stop it. You have some paranoid ideas with grandiosity there. I'm no activist and I won't stop anyone.
If people are STUPID enough to waste their last paycheques on overpriced garbagegood for them.,
As said, I tried BD to see what the hype was about and after watching a half dozen movies I went back to DSTV and DVD and it looks the same for me.
Why? Because the human mind gets used to things. I have a set of $350 earphones here from Shure and they sound better by a good margin compared to standard
earplugs except I don't use them too often. After a while I forget the difference and the earbuds I use sound good enough
. After a while the NOVELTY OF BD
wears off. You get used to the imagery. For me that was after the 3-4th disk. I no longer can justify a purchase of a movie on BD - not the garbage selection
of Hollywood junk sold here - but not even stuff overseas. Being an anime fan I even looked at some comparisons of HD 1080P anime vs SD anime (NTSC ie lower
res too) and side by side the difference is incredibly marginal for 2D cel drawn animation. In other words - the handful of titles available on BD in that genre -
it's NOT WORTH IT. It will be worth it when the BD costs the same or less than a DVD and when the BD player costs under R500. Right now, that's not on
the cards - not even at $150 - SA Price R2500 - that's too expensive and not worth it. Besides at least I can rip my DVDs to take them on the plane with me
on my portable video player. Good luck trying to rip BDs without destroying your HD and buying expensive 3rd party products
.

You know ancient Rome provided FOOD and ENTERTAINMENT to keep the plebs in check. The Emperor knew that if he fed his people then gave them circus games
they'd be happy no matter what he did. BD may be the entertainment but someone will have to provide the food.


Dude you're saying incredibly obvious things. Of course hopefully the crisis won't become so bad that it shuts down everything but only a fool would understimate the greatest crisis (which is still beginning) since 1929. Some economists say this may even get worse than 1929. You do know that they had soup kitchens in the first world and Hitler came to power lagerly because
of the Gt Depression?
To suggest it's cool to buy a R3500 player,
R300+ movies and a R20K TV at a time like this is crazy.



Alternative technologies? They will come in due course. Now is not the time to upgrade to expensive proprietory formats.



BD will not tank unless SONY et al stop pushing it. Stringer - the Ballmer of Sony is pushing this tech in all forms of ways, from fake comparisons of BD vs DVD (with DVD artificially made worse) in shops to website astroturfing.

Anyway BD is a big bag of hurt. It's not new. It's just a laser with a different wavelength ie not red for DVD but blue. It is however still 1. Region Locked.
2. Super expensive. 3. Expensive to licence. 4. HDCP protected which means people with older sets or sets with improper HDCP implementations have to buy a product like HDFury or trash their set and buy a new one. 5. Copy protected which means you can't backup your R350 investment or format shift to your video iPod. 6. Requires expensive equipment to take full advantage of. Buying a 40 inch full HD set won't cut it - unless you sit within a few feet of it ( http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/ ) and cheap LCDs all have junk contrast and colour reproduction (Sony et al are using this as one of the reasons to buy into BD) - in fact they're not cheap - R20K is not cheap - but for R20K you get junk colour reproduction and contrast. There are many things wrong with the PROPRIETARY LOCKED format called Bluray. The most important should be that people should not buy into it right now when the economy is bad. If they do, then they deserve to eat at soup kitchens
.

Ever heard of Dr. Phil? You seriously need an appointment! What the hell does this whole rant have to do with Blu Ray. Who are you to say on what and when people can/must spend their money? Again what is the connection/relation of this personal rant with the topic at hand. Please do not even try to explain it. Just call someone, you have serious issues at hand.
 
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Just to debunk some information ranted in this thread!

Feb 12, 2009
http://www.pcworld.com/article/159405/bluray_price_drop_studios_slash_movie_prices.html

In some cases, Blu-ray titles are now only $10 to $20, a few dollars more than their DVD counterparts. Amazon, for instance, is selling the unrated version of The 40-Year-Old Virgin for $15, and Iron Man for $19. The DVD versions of these titles are just $5 less. And Blu-ray editions of older flicks from the studio vaults, including Stargate, Total Recall, and the first three Rambo movies, are now $10.

Well maybe sooner than later we will reap the benefits. Alternative is to import and thereby bypass the local sharks.

Lite-On DH-6E2L-L08 6x Blu-ray Reader
Price: R 1,660
http://www.take2.co.za/electronics-lite-on-dh-6e2l-l08-6x-blu-ray-reader-4193463.html

LG GGC-H20L 6x Blu-ray Super-Multi Drive With LightScribe
$113.50
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=206494069&listingid=24066042&dcaid=17902

Still not R250.00 but its much lower than a few months ago(The Roman soldiers are not feeding the plebs yet.)
 
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Dont rip my head off :D
But for tv purposes, my playstation 3 has done well. The bonus bluray player is affordable compared to what's still being sold.

There's always going to be a cd killer, dvd killer, hd-dvd killer, blu-ray killer, holographics disc killer...
Whatever you buy, wont last long, and as time goes, will last less and less as they require more money (imo). It's just a decision of when you want to hit the dirt.
Maybe with the recession technology will have more reason to change les? :D (hehe doubts...)

And renting at the video store at R30 aint to bad either.
 
Some heated stuff here.

I am a Blueray fan. Bought a PS3 not to game on, not that I have not played a bit, but as a media centre more than 18 months ago. I love the resolution, the sound etc. I don't think that everyone should dump their DVD stuff yet and upgrade. But for those that can afford it, and to those who find movies, picture quality and sound, are important to them I think its worthwhile.

The movies I buy are the ones I want to keep and watch many times, the quality of the sound and image quality are important. They are not that many in number, it has not bust the bank. We even still buy DVD,s, mainly kids stuff and other movies that are not as important to own on Bluray. Lighter stuff.

Anyway I see lots of Sony hate here, akin to the MS hate out there. Bottom line is they are large companies that have delivered the goods that consumers want(sometimes I think seldom needed) or they would not be so large or successful.

The current economic times will be tough for every type of endeavour out there, motor manufacturers, commodity players, financial type companies, the list goes one and on. Sony and bluray will not escape. Does not necessarily mean that the format will be doomed though.

Anyway the main thing is to enjoy your movies- Bluray, DVD, or downloaded, this evening and over the weekend:)
 
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