Blu-Ray gains ground

[PeterCH]

So why do you actively repost the same rant over and over on every BluRay, HDTV, Windows7 and any thread related to anything remotely linked to DRM? Hmmmm.

Did I even mention Windows 7 in this thread? LOL. Come on... grow up, please.

 

[I am Penguin]

back to topic

It's more than just HD!

Apple iPhone to gain Blu-ray NetBlender BD Touch app
Under: Apple iPhone, News Date: October 8th, 2008

Blu-ray.com have been alerted by inside sources that the upcoming Blu-ray release of Iron Man in France is to utilise NetBlender’s BD Touch tech that will allow the Blu-ray film to interact with the Apple iPhone and Apple iPod Touch.

The Remote Haxey application will allow iPhoners to download trailers and play games that are integrated into the film whilst utilising their Apple iPhone as a remote control. Furthermore there are more features that have yet to be revealed.

Jan 12, 2009

Value-priced Blu-ray Disc Players Gain Net Connections

BD-Live support isn't the only feature that goes mainstream: More players offer on-board high-end audio decoders, for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.

02.23.09
U.S. Blu-ray Disc Sales Expected to Jump Threefold
02.23.09

New releases have been the biggest sellers, said Jim Bottoms, managing director at Futuresource. "In particular, the action adventure genre dominates, appealing strongly to the young male technology adopter, which also closely matches the PS3 owner profile," he said.

Bottoms predicted that by 2012, about 50 percent of U.S. the 35 percent of Western Europe video disc retail sales will be Blu-ray.

 

[PeterCH]

Pundit sites spread more of the same. News at Eleven.

 

[I am Penguin]

I am Penguin - I also asked a question a few posts up

Oh that one! No you cannot copy a Blu Ray disc as yet. Writers for mass storage of data is becoming available Yes and Blu Ray players for PC that can work with DVD BD programs to send sound and video data streams via the newer GPU cards, like some of the latest ATI series, with HDMI capability. The hardware and TV have to conform to specified compatible standards for true HD video and sound.

So no easy pirates and hackers possibilities as yet AFAIK, they still have a while to go with a steep learning curve. Then they will be met with strong resistance via updates and the rest all the big corporations will throw at them. About time I would say!

 

[I am Penguin]

Blu-ray Disc Licensing Gets Cheaper and Easier
February 26, 2009, 10:09 AM

In an announcement Wednesday, the big three stated that they have joined with other Blu-ray patent holders to allow manufacturers to procure one license that covers all the necessary patents for Blu-ray Disc, DVD, and CD. The new licensing program, which will be run by an independent company, will be based in the United States, with branch offices in Asia, Europe, and Latin America.

Progress!

 

[PeterCH]

Oh that one! No you cannot copy a Blu Ray disc as yet. Writers for mass storage of data is becoming available Yes and Blu Ray players for PC that can work with DVD BD programs to send sound and video data streams via the newer GPU cards, like some of the latest ATI series, with HDMI capability. The hardware and TV have to conform to specified compatible standards for true HD video and sound.

So no easy pirates and hackers possibilities as yet AFAIK, they still have a while to go with a steep learning curve. Then they will be met with strong resistance via updates and the rest all the big corporations will throw at them. About time I would say!

The pirates are apparently ripping high-def movies (cracking Blu-ray's AACS and BD+ encryption in the process) and re-encoding them using AVCHD, which offers a 720p picture. Because of the reduction in resolution, file sizes are smaller and can be burned to regular DVDs instead of the more costly Blu-ray discs, netting a tidy profit. Needless to say, the film industry isn't thrilled by the news. "We are concerned and are assigning priority to this issue," the MPA's Asia-Pacific managing director Mike Ellis told the Wall Street Journal.

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/...cs-hatched-in-china-industry-is-concerned.ars

This is a 4 month old article.

 

[PeterCH]

Pirates can copy it, but customers can't back it up. Well done BD-consortium! One more for the MPAA!!!

 

[I am Penguin]

Pirates can copy it, but customers can't back it up. Well done BD-consortium! One more for the MPAA!!!

For a while already you can download 720p or 1080p titles from the torrent sites or you can get your Jap friends to send you some then you do not have to waste your cap. It is still not the real Mcoy.

which offers a 720p picture. Because of the reduction in resolution, file sizes are smaller and can be burned to regular DVDs instead of the more costly Blu-ray discs, netting a tidy profit.

So it all comes down to pirating again, therefore the antagonism. LOL these anti DRM advocates.

At the same token I may use a HD cam while DVD is playing and record it. If that is the junk you are prepared to accept instead of the real Mcoy then be my guest. Like it seems some here prefer to buy DVD's on the street corner prior to release.

 

[milomak]

I am Penguin - Oh no that was more tongue in cheek. My real question was whether my post #92 read your post #91 correctly

 

[PeterCH]

For a while already you can download 720p or 1080p titles from the torrent sites or you can get your Jap friends to send you some then you do not have to waste your cap. It is still not the real Mcoy.

DRM has been cracked by the pirates and once BDs become common place you'll see 1:1 copies of BDs made by pirates.

which offers a 720p picture. Because of the reduction in resolution, file sizes are smaller and can be burned to regular DVDs instead of the more costly Blu-ray discs, netting a tidy profit.

So it all comes down to pirating again, therefore the antagonism. LOL these anti DRM advocates.

No it comes down to me who legally bought the stupid BD, not being able to BACK it up and play it over NON-HDCP hardware officially. The pirates can crack the DRM and they're selling this stuff in Asia for cheap. We'll see it on sale in Europe - if not already so - because Eastern Europe transits or even makes these things themselves.

At the same token I may use a HD cam while DVD is playing and record it. If that is the junk you are prepared to accept instead of the real Mcoy then be my guest. Like it seems some here prefer to buy DVD's on the street corner prior to release.

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No. They cracked the actual encryption. They could make a 1:1 perfect copy except the 50GB BD disk required to burn that perfect copy is 1. Expensive even for the pirates. 2. Most people can't tell the difference between 720p or 1080p on their tiny FULL HD LCD TVs.

You lack some common knowledge. If you're gonna be a good BD pundit, you must learn all the details. Read the Wikipedia section on DRM about the analog hole, this encryption cracking is not it.

 

[I am Penguin]

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/...cs-hatched-in-china-industry-is-concerned.ars

This is a 4 month old article.

I said

No you cannot copy a Blu Ray disc as yet

The poster of the question cannot, Pirates and hackers may be able too yes at a reduced quality for now. There are progarms available that can be used hack the Blu Ray. If you can play it you can hack it. The point is that not every John Doe selling DVD's on the street corner can do it nor can everyone sitting with a PC that makes piracy a lifestyle ... for the moment. Thus in the meantime Xbox gamers loose and game pirates win concerning games, but ATM SONY and DRM wins for movies distribution.

 

[PeterCH]

I said



The poster of the question cannot, Pirates and hackers may be able too yes at a reduced quality for now. There are progarms available that can be used hack the Blu Ray. If you can play it you can hack it. The point is that not every John Doe selling DVD's on the street corner can do it nor can everyone sitting with a PC that makes piracy a lifestyle ... for the moment. Thus in the meantime Xbox gamers loose and game pirates win concerning games, but ATM SONY and DRM wins for movies distribution.

NO, YOU SAID this:

So no easy pirates and hackers possibilities as yet AFAIK, they still have a while to go with a steep learning curve. Then they will be met with strong resistance via updates and the rest all the big corporations will throw at them. About time I would say!

'nuff said. You lost the argument. Pirates can make copies easily, in fact they've been making them for at least 4 months. Next time don't suck things out of your thumb.

I'm going to bed, I'm wasting my time arguing with you. You've lost every single argument in this thread, all you can do is quote advertising sites.

 

[milomak]

actually I am Penguin, you can download full 1080p quality video on the net. All 30GB+ of it.

EDIT: In SA it may not be worthwhile due to bandwidth cost. but you may miss a point above. if you have a a screen even of 50", you need to sit closer than 3m to the screen to gain the full impact of 1080p. Which means that if you have a smaller screen (and 46" is at about 2.6m), Full HD and 1080p really becomes meaningless as you are practically viewing 720p unless you are sitting up close as if you are in front of a computer LCD.

 

[I am Penguin]

DRM has been cracked by the pirates and once BDs become common place you'll see 1:1 copies of BDs made by pirates.

which offers a 720p picture. Because of the reduction in resolution, file sizes are smaller and can be burned to regular DVDs instead of the more costly Blu-ray discs, netting a tidy profit.

No it comes down to me who legally bought the stupid BD, not being able to BACK it up and play it over NON-HDCP hardware officially. The pirates can crack the DRM and they're selling this stuff in Asia for cheap. We'll see it on sale in Europe - if not already so - because Eastern Europe transits or even makes these things themselves.

No. They cracked the actual encryption. They could make a 1:1 perfect copy except the 50GB BD disk required to burn that perfect copy is 1. Expensive even for the pirates. 2. Most people can't tell the difference between 720p or 1080p on their tiny FULL HD LCD TVs.

Link where they state that as the reasons please! or is that your thumb suck for the hour!

BTW The expensive disk you're are on about is R99.99. So that is cheap for a 1:1 BD title copy. At R3500.00 for a BD writer it is a bargain for the pirate as he would make thousands within a short time, At say R200.00 a disc he only needs to sell 20 disks at the robot to show a profit return. Please tell me where I can get the software tools. I know where to get the BD disks and writer. I want to start a bussiness?

So as I said your agenda revolves around DRM. Thats your main gripe. It became clear over the many rants you delivered.

Back on your dead donkey HD TV size/distance subject yet again I see.


Again tell me where I can buy/get the 1:1 copies. Ppppplllleeeeeaaaasssse?

 

[I am Penguin]

NO, YOU SAID this:



'nuff said. You lost the argument. Pirates can make copies easily, in fact they've been making them for at least 4 months. Next time don't suck things out of your thumb.

I'm going to bed, I'm wasting my time arguing with you. You've lost every single argument in this thread, all you can do is quote advertising sites.

You cannot debate at all, Always off topic and punting your anti DRM gripe and agenda.

Still please show the the goods! where is the 1:1 copies, I want to buy or rip some meself. Fact is you can not show the goods. Go back to your rant on the crisis economy. You failed much better there.

 

[milomak]

There are many people who use Linux who have found ways to rip 1:1 copies of BD. And those are people like me who have for instance built MythTV HTPCs.

Your understanding of the world and people's choices seems to be quite limited I am Penguin. Which is quite strange for someone who has a name that leans itself towards Linux.

 

[PeterCH]

actually I am Penguin, you can download full 1080p quality video on the net. All 30GB+ of it.

EDIT: In SA it may not be worthwhile due to bandwidth cost. but you may miss a point above. if you have a a screen even of 50", you need to sit closer than 3m to the screen to gain the full impact of 1080p. Which means that if you have a smaller screen (and 46" is at about 2.6m), Full HD and 1080p really becomes meaningless as you are practically viewing 720p unless you are sitting up close as if you are in front of a computer LCD.

Precisely. What's worse is that the mandatory downsampling over component on non-HDCP connections for legacy hardware means that that equipment only shows a picture slightly better than SD. So if your full HD projector, plasma or LCD has no HDCP Or an earlier version you're buggered. The BD industry (made up of the same people who make modern HDTVs) will force you to buy a new TV set too to enjoy the new format. This was a big cause of anger on the AVForums. Many videophiles had expensive
pre-BD full HD projectors and plasma screens - and all that equipment was suddenly made worthless. BTW pre-BD you could get full HD on cable and on HD-VHS.

If you only buy the player and connect to your SD set, you get no benefits either.

So at present BD is just a big bag of hurt.

 

[I am Penguin]

There are many people who use Linux who have found ways to rip 1:1 copies of BD. And those are people like me who have for instance built MythTV HTPCs.

Your understanding of the world and people's choices seems to be quite limited I am Penguin. Which is quite strange for someone who has a name that leans itself towards Linux.

So I need a copy. Please supply me one of the Dark Night!

 

[milomak]

I think what I am Penguin also misses is how we as consumers should have the choice to use what we have bought legally as we please within reasonable parameters.

So I happen to have a HTPC setup (MythTV) in my house. Is it not reasonable that I want to rip something I have bought to a central storage and have people within my household watch it any time they wish on any of the TVs within the house? Or are we as consumers going to accept that I need to buy as many copies of the movie as I have TVs. I find that outrageous.

The distributors say it is fine for all 4 members of the household to watch the movie together. But for each individual to watch the same move starting at different times is illegal?

 

[milomak]

So I need a copy. Please supply me one of the Dark Night!

I do not have a HDTV nor a BD or HD-DVD player. But I am aware of what the internet offers and in my search for a HDTV and player I searched to see what one can get.

I would download and send to you if you were willing to pay the Telkom charge past my 30GB local allocation.

EDIT You seem not to believe this is possible - http://newzleech.com/?group=&minage=&age=&min=min&max=max&q=dark+knight+1080p&m=search&adv=