Blu-Ray gains ground

What BRay cost per disc is insane expensive. Why can't they make it like normal dvds (R140) .. and they would sell billions.

I'm not paying R300+ per movie...
 
Blu-ray has won the high-definition optical media race
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Sorry, I have to take exception to this statement. They haven't won anything. The race goes on. Just because the other main competitor pulled out does not mean the race is over. There are new technologies under development all the time and only time will tell who wins this "race".

My opinion of winning this race is when Blu-Ray is ubiquitous and the pervasive technology in this field, and sorry to say, but right now plain old DVD still wears that crown. :p Plain old DVD is not HD, sure... but it is still the pervasive techonolgy. Let me know when Blu-Ray starts outselling DVD, then we can talk. Right now they are still the new kid on the block and they are still going to have to endure some bloody noses before this fight is over.

The winner of this race should probably only be declared around 2010. Then we can look back and say "Wow, Blu-Ray really blasted everyone else out of the race".... my personal opinion though is we will probably rather be saying "Wow, Blu-Ray was a fairly decent technology, but people never really took to it like the industry thought they would".

Here is part of the reason why... the technology is still just too expensive at this stage. I know you are tired of hearing this, but it is true. Blu-Ray might be nice on an HD TV, but it is not going to become mainstream until all households can afford it. And frankly they don't really see why they should be adopting this at current prices. It is bad enough that we have some fairly newish TVs and DVD players sitting on our shelf, but now they want us to adopt a new technology AND buy a new player and a new TV at two to three times the price? ... in a time of economic downturn?

No thanks... I'll wait another year or two. I was a DVD early adopter... but I'm a Blu-Ray skeptic.... and don't even get me started on all the DRM crap embedded into Blu-Ray! :mad:
 
Nice comment Gary!

I still say that divx will come out tops...what is stopping them? all new dvd players can play divx? a HD encoded divx movie is about 3-4GB(fits on standard DVD)? why not make a player that can play it? i know there are players that can upscale already but not sure if it is true HD. I'm already playing HD content on my media center(R2500(500GB) as opposed to R3500-R6000 for Bluray ) and with possible bandwidth price decreases looming i'll get all my stuff in HD format :)

Nice.
 
I am Penguin said:
and So say all piracy masters!
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Bulldust. You have yet to see how this DRM (and the crap built into Windows 7) has yet to frustrate you with stuff that you have legally purchased!!! :mad:

It started with Sony not allowing me to play CDs I had bought legally in a computer (where I do 90% of my listening). And soon you are going to find that you will not be able to watch Blu-Ray discs under similar restrictions.

But, yes... I do rip all of my DVDs. Saves on wear and tear... and kiddy fingerprints all over the DVDs. :p

This is not to mention what happens when the DRM technology goes wrong and starts preventing even legitimate use....

http://www.google.co.za/search?q=bl...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/02/samsung-sued-ov.html

http://www.thestandard.com/news/200...iscs-cheap-players-and-declining-market-share

http://bluraysucks.com/

http://gizmodo.com/5110796/studios-win-battle-in-blu+ray-drm-still-losing-the-war
 
Garyvdh said:
Sorry, I have to take exception to this statement. They haven't won anything. The race goes on. Just because the other main competitor pulled out does not mean the race is over. There are new technologies under development all the time and only time will tell who wins this "race".

My opinion of winning this race is when Blu-Ray is ubiquitous and the pervasive technology in this field, and sorry to say, but right now plain old DVD still wears that crown. :p Plain old DVD is not HD, sure... but it is still the pervasive techonolgy. Let me know when Blu-Ray starts outselling DVD, then we can talk. Right now they are still the new kid on the block and they are still going to have to endure some bloody noses before this fight is over.

The winner of this race should probably only be declared around 2010. Then we can look back and say "Wow, Blu-Ray really blasted everyone else out of the race".... my personal opinion though is we will probably rather be saying "Wow, Blu-Ray was a fairly decent technology, but people never really took to it like the industry thought they would".

Here is part of the reason why... the technology is still just too expensive at this stage. I know you are tired of hearing this, but it is true. Blu-Ray might be nice on an HD TV, but it is not going to become mainstream until all households can afford it. And frankly they don't really see why they should be adopting this at current prices. It is bad enough that we have some fairly newish TVs and DVD players sitting on our shelf, but now they want us to adopt a new technology AND buy a new player and a new TV at two to three times the price? ... in a time of economic downturn?

No thanks... I'll wait another year or two. I was a DVD early adopter... but I'm a Blu-Ray skeptic.... and don't even get me started on all the DRM crap embedded into Blu-Ray! :mad:
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Good post, makes sense, but you say that blu-ray has not won anything yet, it has.

Blu-ray is was not going up against SD DVD it was competing for the HD market, hence the quote "Blu-ray has won the high-definition optical media race" is a valid quote.
 
drukkie said:
Nice comment Gary!

I still say that divx will come out tops...what is stopping them? all new dvd players can play divx? a HD encoded divx movie is about 3-4GB(fits on standard DVD)? why not make a player that can play it? i know there are players that can upscale already but not sure if it is true HD. I'm already playing HD content on my media center(R2500(500GB) as opposed to R3500-R6000 for Bluray ) and with possible bandwidth price decreases looming i'll get all my stuff in HD format :)

Nice.
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I'm no winzip wizard/compression guru, but surely a HD encoded divx movie has to have some quality loss some where, either video or audio, i cannot see it being the same quality as a full 1080P HD 7.1 uncompressed audio blu-ray disk
 
its gonna be all online someday anyway

It will be interesting to see how far BDs go before all HD content will be streamed online... even movie rentals, etc.

I dont think anyone can call at this stage whether BDs will be a huge hit, but what is more certain is that it will probably the last optical storage medium - eventually taken out by online storage or mini solid state drives. Off course I'm talking at least 5 to 10 years from now...
 
CHURCHILL said:
Good post, makes sense, but you say that blu-ray has not won anything yet, it has.

Blu-ray is was not going up against SD DVD it was competing for the HD market, hence the quote "Blu-ray has won the high-definition optical media race" is a valid quote.
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I don't see Blu-Ray as winning. They had 8 years to try and compete. Fibre will take over before they even got a proper lift off like DVDs did. TiVo/PVR and etc devices will be the future anyway. With Flash speeding up the data race.
 
Garyvdh said:
Bulldust. You have yet to see how this DRM (and the crap built into Windows 7) has yet to frustrate you with stuff that you have legally purchased!!! :mad:

It started with Sony not allowing me to play CDs I had bought legally in a computer (where I do 90% of my listening). And soon you are going to find that you will not be able to watch Blu-Ray discs under similar restrictions.

But, yes... I do rip all of my DVDs. Saves on wear and tear... and kiddy fingerprints all over the DVDs. :p

This is not to mention what happens when the DRM technology goes wrong and starts preventing even legitimate use....

http://www.google.co.za/search?q=bl...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/02/samsung-sued-ov.html

http://www.thestandard.com/news/200...iscs-cheap-players-and-declining-market-share

http://bluraysucks.com/

http://gizmodo.com/5110796/studios-win-battle-in-blu+ray-drm-still-losing-the-war
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Stop piracy and copying of data and there is NO DRM problems. I am fine with it. No need to copy 10-25 gig on disk. If the DVD breaks I buy a new one. So the solution is to stop copying stuff and look after your purchased DVD media. Its always the biggest Pirates with the biggest DRM complaints.
 
chubster said:
I don't see Blu-Ray as winning. They had 8 years to try and compete. Fibre will take over before they even got a proper lift off like DVDs did. TiVo/PVR and etc devices will be the future anyway. With Flash speeding up the data race.
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I understand your reasoning, but right now/at this moment, who is bringing what blu-ray is bringing to the table, HD-DVD tried to compete and failed.

Remember, Blu-ray is physical media capable of full HD content, and at the moment no else is competing, thus i'm saying blu ray is winning.
 
A point or two about DRM

Garyvdh said:
I'm a Blu-Ray skeptic.... and don't even get me started on all the DRM crap embedded into Blu-Ray! :mad:
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Fact is that DRM serves to annoy legitimate users of the product often more than the pirates. Pirates know how to get rid of it. Sometimes people may tend to shoplift from retail stores too, but imagine having to go through a strip-search each time you went shopping? ? :mad:

I have also seen titles on blu-ray that are not HD. In other words that just re-hash existing movies on the new format. These movies should come with a customer warning!!

I'm afraid that until DRM is cracked/dropped and I know that I can dezone my player, I can't see it getting on my shopping list.:(
 
Takkies said:
I'm afraid that until DRM is cracked/dropped and I know that I can dezone my player, I can't see it getting on my shopping list.:(
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Thank you. 100% correct.

I'll add forced resolution reduction on non-HDCP connections.
 
My DVD player does a good job of upscaling DVD nonsense to HD.

BluRay is optical storage's last hope to regain some of the ground it lost in the data storage race. HDDs are over the 1TB mark already, removable flash memory is well on it's way to triple digit GBs. BD-R can manage 50GB at best and the media is insanely expencive.

No one cares (ok a few with too much cash) about the video quality of BD, what matters is the storage space. We need a beter WORM media than DVD-R.
 
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