Blu-Ray gains ground

Fact is that DRM serves to annoy legitimate users of the product often more than the pirates. Pirates know how to get rid of it. :(

Pirates are not alone in knowing how to bypass DRM on Blu-Ray. Until Hollywood moves out of the 20th century and face up to that reality, honest people will treat them with disdain, with total justification.

The reality is that the dishonest will always beat them. The majority of the world won't bother if the price of the product is set at a level to give fair profit. What drives those who want to be honest to do "dishonest" things is the feeling that their honesty is being abused.
 
Good post, makes sense, but you say that blu-ray has not won anything yet, it has.

Blu-ray is was not going up against SD DVD it was competing for the HD market, hence the quote "Blu-ray has won the high-definition optical media race" is a valid quote.

... so Blu-ray is the only HD optical media technology currently on the market? or under R&D? Or to ever be released? How do you know another one is not going to come along in a year or two and win the race? This race is far from over. And what happens if Blu-Ray becomes the dominant HD standard but only ever captures 28% of the optical media market? Can it really ever be classed as a winner then? What if DVDs cling on and remain persistent? They have been the pervasive standard for nearly a decade now. Heck even plain old CDs are still around. My point is ... it is still way too early to declare any kind of winner. Nobody knows what is going to happen in the next few years. so lets not make declarative statements before the results are in.

http://www.google.co.za/search?q=new+optical+media+technology
 
... so Blu-ray is the only HD optical media technology currently on the market? or under R&D? Or to ever be released? How do you know another one is not going to come along in a year or two and win the race? This race is far from over. And what happens if Blu-Ray becomes the dominant HD standard but only ever captures 28% of the optical media market? Can it really ever be classed as a winner then? What if DVDs cling on and remain persistent? They have been the pervasive standard for nearly a decade now. Heck even plain old CDs are still around. My point is ... it is still way too early to declare any kind of winner. Nobody knows what is going to happen in the next few years. so lets not make declarative statements before the results are in.

http://www.google.co.za/search?q=new+optical+media+technology

Point taken, but you still puting blu-ray up against normal DVD,

Right now Blu-ray is the only HD optical media on the market, normal DVD and CD are optical media but are they classified as HD optical media?

So if blu-ray is the only HD optical media on the market at the moment, is it not winning/leading in the HD catogory?
 
Stop piracy and copying of data and there is NO DRM problems. I am fine with it. No need to copy 10-25 gig on disk. If the DVD breaks I buy a new one. So the solution is to stop copying stuff and look after your purchased DVD media. Its always the biggest Pirates with the biggest DRM complaints.

Who said anything about copying the blu-ray discs? Stop being such a knucklehead. :p I am talking about just playing the Disc. You cannot even play a Blu-Ray Disc on a computer with some older graphics cards or TVs. The DRM will not allow it. Get a clue of what you are talking about before making yourself look like a fool. the DRM is too restrictive even for normal everyday use. You have no idea who I am or what I do on my computer. How does copying my own discs make me a pirate??? Do you even know what you are talking about? do you know anything about this subject? or are you just babbling to amuse yourself? :rolleyes:
 
Point taken, but you still puting blu-ray up against normal DVD,

Right now Blu-ray is the only HD optical media on the market, normal DVD and CD are optical media but are they classified as HD optical media?

So if blu-ray is the only HD optical media on the market at the moment, is it not winning/leading in the HD catogory?

Have to agree. In terms of current HD optical media BD is obviously the winner. In terms of the well publicized war between BD and HD-DVD, again obviously BD won. But this debate is all about semantics.

Gary and Kie are right in the sense that BD has a long way to go before it establishes itself as a de facto opticle standard with the same level of uptake and success as DVD. It may never happen.
 
Point taken, but you still puting blu-ray up against normal DVD,

Right now Blu-ray is the only HD optical media on the market, normal DVD and CD are optical media but are they classified as HD optical media?

So if blu-ray is the only HD optical media on the market at the moment, is it not winning/leading in the HD catogory?

WINNING is not the same thing as WON! :p

And there are other HD formats around. China has its own HD format.. CDHB or something like that.
 
Point taken, but you still puting blu-ray up against normal DVD,

Right now Blu-ray is the only HD optical media on the market, normal DVD and CD are optical media but are they classified as HD optical media?

So if blu-ray is the only HD optical media on the market at the moment, is it not winning/leading in the HD catogory?

Yes. Absolutely CORRECT.
 
and So say all piracy masters!
So say all toadies.

Do you even have your media overlords' permission to be here?

I'm not paying R300+ per movie...
Don't buy local.

Stop piracy and copying of data and there is NO DRM problems.
DRM doesn't stop copying. And a big feature of copies is their lack of annoying DRM nonsense. You're an obedient little sheep that does whatever your masters in media tell you, so naturally it does not bother you.

Also do not see any point in getting a player until the content is available for rental in the video stores.
Because the region lock makes the player useless for playing reasonably priced discs from overseas rental is the only source and I won't buy until I can get the same selection I can now on DVD. I adopted DVD quite early because I could easily remove the region nonsense and buy my discs from anywhere I liked (back then the rental shops had a few titles if they had any).

I'm afraid that until DRM is cracked/dropped and I know that I can dezone my player, I can't see it getting on my shopping list.:(
They should have dropped the zone idiocy. It should be deemed illegal anyway.

I know Video Spot already rents out Blu-ray, not sure about other franchises though.
Haven't seen them anywhere near me yet, but then I'm not interested in a small selection. I'll get in when they have shelves full of them.

Streaming is of no interest to me unless the material is not locked. I won't touch the locked downloadable stuff.
 
@ Garyvdh, do you agree that the only thing holding blu-ray back and stopping it from becoming mainstream right now is the price for BR players, HD telly's and BR disks.
 
Who said anything about copying the blu-ray discs? Stop being such a knucklehead. :p I am talking about just playing the Disc. You cannot even play a Blu-Ray Disc on a computer with some older graphics cards or TVs. The DRM will not allow it. Get a clue of what you are talking about before making yourself look like a fool. the DRM is too restrictive even for normal everyday use. You have no idea who I am or what I do on my computer. How does copying my own discs make me a pirate??? Do you even know what you are talking about? do you know anything about this subject? or are you just babbling to amuse yourself? :rolleyes:

So HDCP is Blu-ray's fault? Riiiiiiight.
 
@ Garyvdh, do you agree that the only thing holding blu-ray back and stopping it from becoming mainstream right now is the price for BR players, HD telly's and BR disks.

yes, but I would add the DRM which is a major turn-off and the problematic release of early firmware versions which rendered some players useless with newer discs. The region specific coding is also an ongoing issue as it was with the DVDs.
 
So HDCP is Blu-ray's fault? Riiiiiiight.

Um, you do realize that Sony was one of the major driving forces behind the push for HDCP back in 2003 already?? If not, THE major driving force. Of course they couched it in all the terms of "allowing consumers freedom to use the media they purchased"... which is total BS... because that is exactly what it prevents. But the HDCP is not the only issue. The Blu-ray discs have several layers of invasive protection which only serve to make the technology more expensive and the end user more frustrated. We have not seen the end of these problems. The whole DHCP issue is going to be an ongoing headache for manufacturers and end-users. BD+ will be the same... you mark my words.
 
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BD, its cool. Wether its winning or won the race etc, I am enjoying it now. When the new **** comes out, i will buy that and enjoy it then.

Technology changes all the time. What, am i supposed to not buy a computer today because i know in 1 years time they gonna have something better?

Should i not have installed a telkom adsl line a while back because i had a feeling neotel/wireless broadband was coming up with something? I would have still been using dial up dude.
 
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BD, its cool. Wether its winning or won the race etc, I am enjoying it now. When the new **** comes out, i will buy that and enjoy it then.

Technology changes all the time. What, am i supposed to not buy a computer today because i know in 1 years time they gonna have something better?

I'll take a Blu-Ray player, and capable HD Television please, thanks. Can you throw in a few BD titles for me as well, since you have so much money to throw around. Cheers. :D Sending you my details by PM now. Thanks man! ;)
 
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