Blu-Ray gains ground

[I am Penguin]

We should rename this thread to 'SONY BluRay - Get it Now!'
and post some links to retailers, that's what some clueless astroturfers are pushing here.

Back to stuff up this thread with your FUD AGAIN! I see.

Yeah Unless Sony outsourced or licenced the technology to others you are 100% right. It is Sony Blu Ray! At least for once you got something on topic for a change!

 

[ToxicBunny]

You enjoy the red don't you?

So is SONY, BVR players, HDTV's and the PS3 part and parcel of the Blu Ray and DRM. Thus as the SONY PS3 is one of the main reasons for the success of the implementation of the Blu Ray technology thus far, may we discuss the PS3 then, or whould that now be excluded because it does not suit some agendas? At the risk of this thread becoming a PS3 barter.

Unfortunately, the PS3 is not part of the BR spec, it does implement the spec, and yes it is pretty much the main reason for the success so far of BR. If the ps3 was a dismal failure, BR would have been as well.... if HD-DVD was the "winner" the PS3 would have been a dismal failure. Sony had to and still do have to make sure the BR succeeds to a measurable degree, They're financially screwed if it doesn't succeed.

 

[I am Penguin]

When you facilitate copyright infringement by ummm 'modding' consoles knowing they're used for 'illegal' purposes and turn around and call the people you take money from for doing that, pirates.... we'll.... logic won't stick, so noxibox, it's easier to hit your head against the wall than to get your message through.

Its with YOU that logic cannot stick. If Sony, Microsoft and every corporation opens everything up for easier "legitimate" copying and less or no security then what would happen. Piracy stops! Wow. What logic! So they introduce technology that make it more difficult and bamm, YOU HAVE MANY WHINERS. why because the masses cannot copy at will. Simple really. Bad luck for those few that cannot live with the idea that companies are forced to protect their revenue. DRM and the rest of anti piracy/hacking technologies are here to stay. Live with it, adapt with it or stay behind. Simple effective logic.

Therefore the concept is more and more accepted by consumers and that is why the "Blu Ray is gaining ground" as the topic suggests. 2009 will be a bumper year for Blu Ray and while some will enjoy the technology others will carry an whining and fade in oblivion untill something new comes along to biitch and whine about.

 

[LazyLion]

holy Mackerel, Penguin... you have got to be one of the most obsessive people on this board!!! I have seen some humdingers of hysterical behaviour on this board, but you really win the prize! Pity your logic and common knowledge are not on the same par as your rabid fanboyism! Did you buy shares in Sony? Are you worried about them?

 

[I am Penguin]

You enjoy the red don't you?



Unfortunately, the PS3 is not part of the BR spec, it does implement the spec, and yes it is pretty much the main reason for the success so far of BR. If the ps3 was a dismal failure, BR would have been as well.... if HD-DVD was the "winner" the PS3 would have been a dismal failure. Sony had to and still do have to make sure the BR succeeds to a measurable degree, They're financially screwed if it doesn't succeed.

So that reference was on topic! Agreed.

That why it is becoming a success, slow at first but it is gaining speed.

Unfortunately that is the real gripe of some members on this forum that turns every Blu Ray, Windows7 or Sony related thread in a anti DRM barter/mess.

 

[ToxicBunny]

What reference was on topic?

and still BR is nowhere near a success since it isn't the dominate optical format.... it has to be overwhelmingly the dominant format for it to even start paying back the $400m (minimum) payment Sony made to ensure HD-DVD died.

 

[I am Penguin]

holy Mackerel, Penguin... you have got to be one of the most obsessive people on this board!!! I have seen some humdingers of hysterical behaviour on this board, but you really win the prize! Pity your logic and common knowledge are not on the same par as your rabid fanboyism! Did you buy shares in Sony? Are you worried about them?

No but I am getting tired of some friends always moving off topic in specific threads. Due to their own fanboism, hatred of certain companies and related topics. Like you jumped the gun and tried to change this topic in another format war. Aint you one of the HD DVD format losers? I am entitled to my opinion and view and sure as hell some wont change that. So why if I state that DRM is there for a good reason then the packdogs come to the party and make comments like you just did. Makes you strong hey, feel empowered. Just because I do not like DRM but have to accept it because its there for a reason.

 

[LazyLion]

no, really... go right ahead. It is very entertaining. Please, don't let me break your stride. (you do realize that you are the only one arguing this particular point in this thread, don't you?) you're all we have! Go at it boy! Arrrrrr! Grrrr!

 

[PeterCH]

I forgot to mention, that if BluRay becomes popular, we'll have more morons misspelling the word 'blue'.

 

[I am Penguin]

What reference was on topic?

and still BR is nowhere near a success since it isn't the dominate optical format.... it has to be overwhelmingly the dominant format for it to even start paying back the $400m (minimum) payment Sony made to ensure HD-DVD died.

Read the topic again. It says it is gaining. Nowhere did anyone state its already the dominant format. Stop twisting everything. So now you are trying to make this a Sony did "whatever to kill the HD DVD" discussion. Back on format wars now. The HD DVD was dead the day SONY decided not support it but rather their own format that brings security to the table. Many corporations agreed. Sony did what it had to do. Simple.

 

[I am Penguin]

I forgot to mention, that if BluRay becomes popular, we'll have more morons misspelling the word 'blue'.

Well we have morons discussing the world economic woes is every M$, Sony related thread too, so whats the difference?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Ahh, yes that reference was on topic.... fair point.... they did state "has won the HD format war" which it didn't really do... Sony pretty much paid Toshiba to drop HD-DVD... so there was no winning, there was bribing.

HD-DVD wasn't dead the day sony decided not to support it, HD-DVD was dead the day Toshiba decided to accept a bribe from Sony and kill it.

HD-DVD was as secure as BR... You're now showing off your rabid faboyism IAP.

 

[PeterCH]

It's news that Philips is making a cinemascope LCD TV at 56 inches for 3000 quid. The post is in the Multimedia section. How will BD's 16:9 format work on the new 21:9?
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/458/1050458/philips-brings-meaning-widescreen-tv

That 3000 quid TV should be good for rooms 4m across and below for 1080P.

 

[PeterCH]

Ahh, yes that reference was on topic.... fair point.... they did state "has won the HD format war" which it didn't really do... Sony pretty much paid Toshiba to drop HD-DVD... so there was no winning, there was bribing.

HD-DVD wasn't dead the day sony decided not to support it, HD-DVD was dead the day Toshiba decided to accept a bribe from Sony and kill it.

HD-DVD was as secure as BR... You're now showing off your rabid faboyism IAP.

You know Toxic, there may not even have been a bribe at work. In Akio Morita's book, titled "Made In Japan", the founding member of Sony describes how top execs of Japanese corps get together and discuss strategy as well as eliminate products deemed too competitive to each other. At the end it may not have been a bribe but perhaps 'business as usual'. That's how they do business, ie two products, SONY and Toshiba hurt too much, get together, eliminate one of them - prolly at random and with some other deals for Toshiba and voila. Then BD player prices go up except the crisis came and rocked the boat. But yeah, it's a fascinating book, "Made in Japan".

Interesting that I said what I said, because I just read an article on stratfor.com about this type of strategy, ie not rocking the boat in the corporate world in Japan. Guess it was a toss of the coin which format would go OR someone won some favours.

 

[I am Penguin]

Ahh, yes that reference was on topic.... fair point.... they did state "has won the HD format war" which it didn't really do... Sony pretty much paid Toshiba to drop HD-DVD... so there was no winning, there was bribing.

HD-DVD wasn't dead the day sony decided not to support it, HD-DVD was dead the day Toshiba decided to accept a bribe from Sony and kill it.

HD-DVD was as secure as BR... You're now showing off your rabid faboyism IAP.

Whatever. I had nothing against HD DVD except the lack of capacity. Unfortunately when you raise the word BluRay in any thread there are those fanbois that degrade the thread because their precious lost the format war. Whether it was a bribe or not. (Toshiba probably ask for compensation for loss of their investment and Sony Oblidged) If there was any other compelling reason for Toshiba not to ditch the HD DVD format they (Toshiba) would have send Sony to hell. They saw the Blu Ray advantages too. So now it is the Blu ray and there is no other format to compete. Now the benefits of mass production, integrated technologes, co-operation of different sectors and cheaper HD content is coming to the party.and consumers reap the benefits, DRM included. Therefore Blu Ray is gaining as the topic suggests whether PeterCH likes it or not. His loss for now.

Time to go. It was fun. I have no gripes against DRM as I buy my discs legally and my collection is growing. No need to copy nothing. Blu Ray is Ok till something new arrives that will offer the same value. Then I will adopt that standard too.

 

[arf9999]

What reference was on topic?

and still BR is nowhere near a success since it isn't the dominate optical format.... it has to be overwhelmingly the dominant format for it to even start paying back the $400m (minimum) payment Sony made to ensure HD-DVD died.

Source?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Oddly enough, I can't find any anymore, but I remember there being alot of them back when HD-DVD did exit the market....

Closest I can come is sony selling off a chip fab that makes chips for the PS3 to a Toshiba/Sony/SCE joint venture for $900m, or a Slashdot "article" http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/23/139228.shtml

But I think its pretty much widely rumoured/known that Sony paid BIG money to make sure studios adopted BR over HD-DVD

 

[arf9999]

Oddly enough, I can't find any anymore, but I remember there being alot of them back when HD-DVD did exit the market....

Closest I can come is sony selling off a chip fab that makes chips for the PS3 to a Toshiba/Sony/SCE joint venture for $900m, or a Slashdot "article" http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/23/139228.shtml

But I think its pretty much widely rumoured/known that Sony paid BIG money to make sure studios adopted BR over HD-DVD

aaah rumour.

If you check the news articles, you'll find that the only confirmed reference to studio bribing was in fact by Toshiba. They paid $150M to Paramount to drop Blu-ray IIRC.

 

[I am Penguin]

Oddly enough, I can't find any anymore, but I remember there being alot of them back when HD-DVD did exit the market....

Closest I can come is sony selling off a chip fab that makes chips for the PS3 to a Toshiba/Sony/SCE joint venture for $900m, or a Slashdot "article" http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/23/139228.shtml

But I think its pretty much widely rumoured/known that Sony paid BIG money to make sure studios adopted BR over HD-DVD

Was Toshiba paid-off to concede the HD battle? There are some signs that may point to this as a direct result of the ended format war. Reuters has reported that Sony has agreed to sell its Cell and RSX fabrication plants in Japan to Toshiba. The WSJ is reporting that is is a joint venture in the form of 60% Toshiba,%20 Sony and %20 Sony Computer Entertainment Inc."

That must be close! Rumour, Speculation or just Bussiness as usual maybe?

Anyway does it still matter? Is it at all relevant to the topic?

 

[arf9999]

That must be close! Rumour, Speculation or just Business as usual maybe?

Anyway does it still matter? Is it at all relevant to the topic?

OT, but interesting nonetheless.

Sony is reportedly planning to sell its chip lines, including its Cell microprocessor fab, to Toshiba Corp. for $870 million, according to the Nikkei news agency in Japan.

The move would end Sony's efforts in semiconductor production for the Cell processor and outsource the production instead. The Cell processor was co-developed by Sony, Toshiba and IBM and is used in Sony's PlayStation 3 game console. As part of the plan, the company would form a joint fab venture for the Cell processor, with Toshiba owning most of the venture, and Sony having a stake, the report said.

As previously reported, Sony has been moving its semiconductor business from vertically integrated operation to a "fab-lite" model. Instead, Sony intends to focus internally on three areas: imagers, game LSIs and SoC LSIs for audio/video devices.

The move is a major break from Sony's previous strategy to develop and manufacturing core chips internally, a philosophy that remains a top priority for rival consumer electronics giant Matsu****a.

In an effort to support the Cell processor, Sony had made a big investment on its most advanced 65nm fab in Nagasaki. The Nagasaki fab started operation in 2004 and is now fabricating 65nm Cell processors. Sony had been considering a move to outsource the production of the 45nm Cell processor, expected to begin in late 2008.

Sony has invested a total of about $3.8 billion on semiconductors over a three-year period ending next month. Of this amount, $1.7 billion was spent on the Cell processor.

EE Times Asia 19 Sept 2007