Blu-ray versus DVD

High END HD sets have better everything. Companies out there have big names, Sharp, Pioneer, Hitachi, Panasonic, Sony, Samsung - its a matter of pride - which can rate better - that includes the circuitry in the set. The best is however always Japanese domestic market. There is a cultural thing in Japan to keep the best rated stuff for their own market, its a general trend. Their domestic market is always better spec'ed.

*** I absolutely agree, some TV models are better than others, but generally speaking, scaling is not one of their strengths. And you're right about Japan keeping things for themselves, but it's not as much cultural as it's a case of their local market is unbelievably developed. Japanese are tech savvy no matter their age or gender. They tend to embrace new tech with a vengence. Meanwhile experience has showed them that the rest of the world are often not ready long after they sold millions of their product locally in Japan. I saw Sony BD players on the shelves there about 5 yrs ago! when HD still meant Hard-Disk to us:D I remember being utterly surprised to see senior citizens of both genders on the trains there with their MP3 players in their ears! My mother still thinks a micro-wave is just something you use to warm up the milk! :rolleyes:
Unfortunately the Japs are being proven right again with BD - many of us (we wont mention names, lol!) are clearly not that excited to embrace it despite it's advantages. So tell me, who's to blame that they keep the best for themselves?


More expensive TV = better upscaling, better contrast etc. It doesn't just stop at scaling.
*** better scaling perhaps, yes, but still not great!

R45K for a full HD (1080p) projector is cheap. I'm suprised you could find one at that price.
***Like you said in an earlier post, things cost substantially less across the ocean.

As said there is high end stuff, the $2999 processor I linked is actually
on sale at that price and in SA would cost over R45K (not that you'd even
find it).
*** EVDO scalers have been around since before Laserdisk. However good their product may be, it's still not as good as real HD. So, unfortunately, the need for their scaling products is all but gone with the advent of HD in the developed world. Technology like BD has made scalers obsolete. Spending that kind of money for a scaler at this stage of that technologies life-cycle makes little sense at all. Better to just ditch your DVD collection then, and buy them in BD format. If it's not available yet, it will be soon. if not in SA, import them via the internet or travel yourself. That, at least is what I would rather do.


Hitachi has some great upscaling tech which looks amazing on their test shots, coming out. They'll include that in their sets no doubt.

As for home theatre, sure big explosions but a pitiful selection at best.
*** Again, you can order a wide selection over the internet direct from the US. FYI, there is a vast selection of BD movies sold in US that are now all-region. I forget the site in UK, where they have an icreasingly large list of these all-region titles, seeing as the Brits also get ripped off by high taxes & profiteering in the UK. Perhaps you could try googling it?

Sony is just hoping but with the economic slow down less people will buy their cr@p. In fact SONY is one company I would love to see go bust, although the JPN government would bail em out but still. They do have a gorgeous Full HD CineAlta pro-camera I want to buy, the PMW-EX1. :)
Apparently video shot with that thing is suitable for DiscoveryHD.
*** A dilemma I can relate to: something like the Microsoft thing, where as much as we hate them, we can't deny that we love some of their products :D
Case in point: I have a Sony 200-disk DVD/CD changer gathering dust in my garage, which my brother bought for me in the US a few yrs back. I had to scare Sony Malaysia with all kinds of threats before they agreed to change it to Zone 2 for me there. In SA they just dismissed me, with no apologies. But, I can't deny it turned out to be an amazing product once converted. That, along with another Sony 400-disk changer, kept me happy for a relatively long time, until I decided to move my collection over to a networked HTPC platform. And, of course, who was there to welcome me with open arms to the best HTPC solution available? Non other than our much despised M$ with their slick MCE product :eek:

See comments above..
 
Why is it that whenever people talk about Blu-ray they talk about the video side of it. They focus on the HD resolution of the videos and everything else that is completely irrelevant. Blu-ray is about 25gb per disc people !!!! No one cares if you can put a movie on it because we are sick and tired of backups on stupid 4.5gb DVDs. We need something better.

When looking at the rate in which storage mediums has grown (magnetic, optical and flash) then it is clear the slowest performer here is optical. It came out with 650mb space back in 1995 when HDDs were also in that size range. It was stuck on that for 8 years then it went to 4.5gb. Around that time HDDs was about 100GB in size, so optical storage was way behind.

These days we have 1500gb HDDs and optical storage is still stuck on 4.5gb. The least it can do is go up to 25gb with Blu-ray. It still has a long way to go though...

Who needs a Blu-ray video player when your DVD player does a decent enough upscale job? Most ordinary people won't even notice.

There no such thing as ordinary people :D. Were all special in our own way, that's why I live at Valkenburg!!:p

Actually you're right. Storage capacity is another solid justification for Blu-ray. By the way they go up to 50GB with dual-layer disks. But BD-R's still waaaay to expensive at the moment, again due to slow uptake of the hardware ie BD-WR drives.
 
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blue ray cost to much right for most people.maybe for storage as someone mentioned but thats about it.
 
Blu Ray is not the future. I like Blu Ray, mostly for its storage capacity and for backing up you data. But the price of a writer and blank disc is just too high.
Coming back to my first statement, online storage and rentals are the future, not BD.
 
Actually you're right. Storage capacity is another solid justification for Blu-ray. By the way they go up to 50GB with dual-layer disks. But BD-R's still waaaay to expensive at the moment, again due to slow uptake of the hardware ie BD-WR drives.

Thanks for understanding my point. Well something has got to happen which will bring optical storage up to date. We are in the times of single digit TeraBytes with magnetic storage and flash is not far behind. Optical is still stuck in the single digit GigaBytes.

What gives ?
 
Thanks for understanding my point. Well something has got to happen which will bring optical storage up to date. We are in the times of single digit TeraBytes with magnetic storage and flash is not far behind. Optical is still stuck in the single digit GigaBytes.

What gives ?

Well, I would imagine it's a question of commercial viability. Altho the idea of Blu-ray was born out of the need for greater optical storage capacity in computers, it's commercial viability is really driven by it's use as a format which can accomodate consumer HD media ie BD movies. In order to justify greater capacities in optical media, we need to have a large enough market to motivate the development of optical disks with higher capacity. Right now, I'm not sure the market exists to justify greater capacity optical disks, which require extensive R&D, seeing as the other storage capacities simply duplicate existing technology to gain increases in capacity eg. traditional hard-drives simply add more platters inside the hard-drive enclosure to increase it's overall capacity. So manufacturers are rather focussing their efforts on the other technologies - at the moment solid-state/SSD's seem to be the flavour of the day. Perhaps, ljust ike floppies were eventually rendered obsolete by optical media, flash/SSD may eventually do away with optical one day. But that's pure speculation.
 
Blu-Ray will never replace or Kill HD DvD

Because the price does not warrant the difference in quality period. There is such a small difference that there is no way I'm paying x5 more just for Blu-ray. Because of the Blu-ray will fail ;)
 
Blu-Ray will never replace or Kill HD DvD

Because the price does not warrant the difference in quality period. There is such a small difference that there is no way I'm paying x5 more just for Blu-ray. Because of the Blu-ray will fail ;)

I think you mean DVD, not HD DVD.
I'm afraid it will, same way that DVD killed VHS. In the US, they are in the process of switching off SD. All broadcasts TV will soon be exclusively HD. This forces people to upgrade to HD kit (TV's, PVR's, etc). In the meantime the price of HD Blu-ray disk movies has fallen & continues to do so - it's about the price that DVD used to be not too long ago ie +/- USD20. I know cos I bought a few there myself. So more & more people will adopt Blu-ray since they already have most of the hardware. The cheap Chinese, Korean BD players will start to appear which will force the major players to drop their prices, and eventually everyone will be able afford BD players, just like it was in the case of DVD.
SDTV was phased out sometime ago in Japan, US is underway, and the world (including SA) is already starting to follow. But don't worry Globalisation and the free market system will ensure that Blu-ray prices will fall to DVD levels sooner than you think.
 
IMO..

DVD will be around for a LONG time in this country, or until there are R300 blueray players around which I cant see happening anytime soon. It really needs to become that cheap for any real numbers to uptake Blueray - we are in S.A afterall.

That said though after purchasing my first HD TV I am looking at getting a PS3 for blueray, normal dvd's just dont cut it for me anymore, even when they are upscaled.
 
I hope you didn't own any AudioVision stores. The salesmen there are the biggest bunch of a-holes around, totally clueless and will argue with you when you point out their fallacies. Customer is right, doesn't belong in that store. People avoid AudioVision, total idiots.

+1 Audiovision salespeople are the worst I've encountered in the Industry and their prices are ...Let's just say you'll find the same thing cheaper, guaranteed, if you shop around.
 
+1 Audiovision salespeople are the worst I've encountered in the Industry and their prices are ...Let's just say you'll find the same thing cheaper, guaranteed, if you shop around.

Not true, Audiovision may be bad, but they'd have to take second place in the hopeless stakes, after the salespeople at Hifi Corp that is. Even my wife knows more about electronics than they do ...and she's an absolute technophobe!
 
I hope you didn't own any AudioVision stores. The salesmen there are the biggest bunch of a-holes around, totally clueless and will argue with you when you point out their fallacies. Customer is right, doesn't belong in that store. People avoid AudioVision, total idiots.

No, not involved with them at all.

On a previous point you made: Full 1080p HD projectors are indeed in the R40K price range, for example the Panasonic PT-AE2000U retails for just over R40K.

It's baby brother, the PTAX200E (720p) retails for about R20K
 
but HD broadcast = Torrents = Online

No need for a Blu-ray player then ;) even better I say :D

Considering how ridiculously expensive (& sparesly available) REAL broadband is in SA, unless you're getting it free or subsidised, it probably costs the same to buy the BD disks than download via Torrent. And you can now buy branded Blu-ray drives via the net for under $200 and falling.
At least you would have legal, guaranteed quality with whatever extra's you normally get on the disk (minus the risks associated with online downloads). Plus, you have an asset with monetry resale value to fill up that empty shelf where your DVD's once lived!!
So maybe peer-to-peer downloads may be a solution for a few, but it's hardly an elegant one ;).
Besides, Pitbull, not all movie fans are computer geeks like us :D

In any case, 2-3 years from now, Blu-ray will also be freely available at video rental stores, so considering you don't mind the illegal downloads, you may as well do the 3R thing (Rent, Rip, & Return). Think of it this way: at least the film studios will still get a small royalty from you for their efforts, LOL!
 
Considering how ridiculously expensive (& sparesly available) REAL broadband is in SA, unless you're getting it free or subsidised, it probably costs the same to buy the BD disks than download via Torrent. And you can now buy branded Blu-ray drives via the net for under $200 and falling.
At least you would have legal, guaranteed quality with whatever extra's you normally get on the disk (minus the risks associated with online downloads). Plus, you have an asset with monetry resale value to fill up that empty shelf where your DVD's once lived!!
So maybe peer-to-peer downloads may be a solution for a few, but it's hardly an elegant one ;).
Besides, Pitbull, not all movie fans are computer geeks like us :D

In any case, 2-3 years from now, Blu-ray will also be freely available at video rental stores, so considering you don't mind the illegal downloads, you may as well do the 3R thing (Rent, Rip, & Return). Think of it this way: at least the film studios will still get a small royalty from you for their efforts, LOL!

No t to mention the HD-lite quality of most online HD dounloads. There is no point in having high resolution if you're going to compress the f#$% out of it to make it easier to send via bittorrent.
 
In any case, 2-3 years from now, Blu-ray will also be freely available at video rental stores,

Not likely, even in that time frame. The stores would have to be stocking at least 2-10 titles per month now already for there to be any sort of inventory in 2-3 years. Most video stores I know are not even getting ONE per month. Lord knows how they will have freely available Blu-ray in 2-3 years. The video stores don't buy bulk- they slowly amass a collection. When DVD first started the stores gradually but steadily built up their stock - but I see no sign of this at all with Blue-ray titles
 
Not likely, even in that time frame. The stores would have to be stocking at least 2-10 titles per month now already for there to be any sort of inventory in 2-3 years. Most video stores I know are not even getting ONE per month. Lord knows how they will have freely available Blu-ray in 2-3 years. The video stores don't buy bulk- they slowly amass a collection. When DVD first started the stores gradually but steadily built up their stock - but I see no sign of this at all with Blue-ray titles

My local rental outlet had quite a few titles in stock when I was last there ( a month or so ago) including a lot of the new releases. Many of the titles were catalogue (close encounters, MiB etc.), but they were available on Blu-ray.

Current release schedule seems fairly good with over 150 titles released and some strong box office titles due for release shortly (Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, Matrix collection, Eastern Promise, American Gangster).

I think you need to find a new video store...
 
Guys, how are the blu-ray take-up at video hires in your areas going ? The one I frequent just started to test the BD market with about 10 titles 3 weeks ago, but I'm sure it must be more substantial elsewhere?
 
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