Bring Back The Death Penalty!!

xrapidx said:
How could they? They'd hopefully be dead before that time comes round again..
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While they're waiting to be executed. The president could just give pardons more often. Apparently he does it almost daily anyway.
 
@#$! i wonder how many more death penalty dreamers and pop up alike we going to have BEFORE they start thinking logical about that its not going to mean jack without sorting these out first

.proper police
.proper justice system
.CONVICTION
.least delay in court cases
.quick to the penalty

very cool if we finally get the penalty but with out apprehension, proper jurisdiction, correct conviction and very little delay in all of this - jack is just going to walk anyways...

my wasted 6c
 
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noxibox said:
Like being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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I'm sure that's what they all say.


So you're saying that these people are being murdered because those criminals are not in jail.

So if we had the death penalty these people would be murdered because those criminals had not been executed.
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We're talking about the form of punishment, not the effectiveness of the Police and Judicial system. Of course they are able to commit their crimes because they are roaming free. Had they been in jail, and not let go after a year or two (or never locked up in the first place) which seems to be the norm, the would not be able to commit the crime.

Weather or not we have the death penalty is irrelevant, because we concern ourselves with the rights of criminals instead of the rights and safety of law abiding citizens, give our criminals the most comfortable possible time in jail and get them out of there as quickly as possible.

But you gotta say this for the death penalty. If it's actually used, it at least eliminates repeat offenders...:D
 
It really is quite simple

A) Although I haven't yet seen it mentioned - deterrent is the worst argument in the world - the only reason that life in prison is not a deterrent is because of the perception that one won't be caught - nothing will change if one changes the punishment.

B) My bet is that many of those supporting the death penalty are the same people who keep moaning about this government - do you really trust this (or any?) government with people's lives - you can argue specifics but there are recorded cases of mistakes and in my view that is the biggest reason that we shouldn't have the death penalty

C) The little money argument - death penalty cases are waaay more expensive than normal ones (extra lawyers, appeals etc.) - I can't remember the figures but there are US states who spend millions just on the death penalty before actually killing anyone - it would be far simpler if prisoners just did manual labour thus paying for themselves and maybe in some cases teaching them a skill
 
koffiejunkie said:
Will I have a choice?

Of course it's not OK. Of course no one wants to take the fall.

But where do you get 20/30 from? If 3 innocent people get executed for every 20 criminals that do, then what we do for punishment is the least of our problems.
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I was thumb sucking :D I make the assumption that an Eye for an Eye ... 1 Criminal=1 Death sentence.

I do think the death penalty should be brought back... but I DONT trust the SA judicial system to respect it... it *WILL* be abused for some selfish gains.

Commit Crime, Frame Person X, Person X get Hung until dead..... original criminal is scott-free to do the same again :-P
 
I think the Death Penalty should be bought back. It will also serve as a deterrent for those thinking about committing a crime
 
noxibox said:
While they're waiting to be executed. The president could just give pardons more often. Apparently he does it almost daily anyway.
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The only part I like about the Iraq situation. Once found guilty death must be in X DAYS. Thats a good law and the right deterent for the criminals that frequent our news headlines!
 
koffiejunkie said:
Sorry? You know what? Just about every single wrongfully executed I have ever heard/read of ended up where they ended up because they were up to no-good to start with.
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1292531,00.html

In the US this would have been a death penalty case... his only no-good to start with was having the mental capacity of a 12 year old.

comic book dealer has been jailed for life over the 1975 murder of 11-year-old Lesley Molseed.
The schoolgirl was found stabbed to death on moorland after disappearing during an errand to buy bread for her mother in Rochdale, Greater Manchester.

Lesley MolseedRonald Castree, 54, from the Shaw area of Oldham, has been told he must serve a minimum of 30 years in prison.

Members of Lesley's family shouted "yes" and hugged each other in the gallery as the jury returned a guilty verdict at Bradford Crown Court.

Castree's conviction comes 15 years after tax clerk Stefan Kiszko was released from jail over the murder.

He had been wrongly jailed and had spent 16 years behind bars for the killing he did not commit
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Read the full story - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Kiszko

I've said it before on this forum.
extract from http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1280952
As long as the ANC is in power, the death sentence will never return. Do you get that ?
Never ever never ever not going to happen. Ever.

Do I support the death penalty, no.

Not that I had a problem with Hussein being strung up - I just believe the law is not equal, and humans are fallible. Mistakes cannot be rectified later.... but perhaps the from the ACDP will be of great consolation to those executed in error -

http://www.acdp.org.za/issues/cappunishment.asp



Beyond reasonable doubt ? Tell that to the 124 prisoners released from death row in the USA alone after evidence proved them innocent.

In 2006, 91 per cent of all known executions took place in China, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Sudan and the USA. Do we really want to align ourselves with those countries?

The death penalty is not a punishment.
Locking the bastards up for life is - and by life I mean until they die in their cell.
Extremists will say that is inhumane and doesnt allow for possible rehabilitation. Bollocks.
Lock them up and throw away the key.
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Not that I had a problem with Hussein being strung up - I just believe the law is not equal, and humans are fallible. Mistakes cannot be rectified later.... but perhaps the from the ACDP will be of great consolation to those executed in error
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Does not compute. So a few errors is not OK but what about the 100's that is murdered in ......er..... error of judgment by the criminals or rather South African savages. Is that then OK? I pick my choice and say. Kill the b@stards the quicker the better. I few casualties or collateral damage is just fine with me. Thats the law of Humanity for ages and forever!
 
daveza said:
Even if it was someone in your family or only someone you don't care about ?
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If that saves countless of other innocent lives I am sure it will be an honor to die for it, like an soldier! Ditto. Many more are killed by leaders in this world, Iran, Iraq, North Korea but nothing is as bad as dying under a "reign of terror" as we see in this country! BTW once the deterrent effect comes in being the errors will diminish as there will be no or little crime. Also advances in DNA and forensics make these errors even more unlikely!
 
Orangeman said:
What if somebody killed an evil person, in punishment and on the justification that those who don't respectt life, don't deserve life, that those mint, and by the justification, he should kill the person. Another case will be what if the person, the murderer was mentally ill at the time. Or if the judge did not evaluate the evidence well enough, and the person is put to death, while a few years later evidence is found that that person was in fact not the criminal, but innocent?
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As already stated those few errors is justified as collateral damage if it save at least half the lives due to violent murders as we experience today. How many lives sis Mbeki's stance re AIDS cost, How many did Manto Kill So yes collateral damage is acceptable if it saves the lives of many thousands.!
 
NoADSLyet said:
As already stated those few errors is justified as collateral damage if it save at least half the lives due to violent murders as we experience today. How many lives sis Mbeki's stance re AIDS cost, How many did Manto Kill So yes collateral damage is acceptable if it saves the lives of many thousands.!
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Collateral damage is all very nice until it's you or your loved ones who is "collateral".
 
Right now violent criminals that are caught, with the cases properly investigated, are getting long sentences. I don't think there is any point in even mentioning the death penalty until we are actually arresting and convicting a good percentage of violent criminals. Once we reach that stage we need to evaluate the reliability of the system, probably over a decade or two at least, to determine whether there is bias and the error rate. It is obvious that in some countries that use the death penalty it is applied unequally and without due care. We will naturally have to make sure that everyone receives equal legal representation - this means that all accused would be provided with the best and most expensive legal team, at state expense. There must be harsh penalties for police or prosecutor negligence, more so in cases where they are guilty of lying or cheating to get a conviction. In fact if we are going to use the death penalty those responsible in such cases should be subject to execution themselves.

Would it be cheaper than keeping people in prison? We'd have to see a serious investigation of the real costs. We also need to know how big, and how many, our prisons would have to be to contain all violent criminals.

I assume all those calling for the death penalty trust the ANC not to use it to kill their enemies.
 
DBoy_25 said:
Who thinks the death penalty should be brought back??
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I believe the death penalty should be reinstated. However RSA signed an international treaty stating it would never reinstate the death penalty. So breaking the treaty, getting human rights violations targeted on the government is more beneficial than having criminals run wild. So my point is... you may ask? The death penalty is a dream which won't be brought back by the ANC.
 
Fudzy said:
What South African parties will though?
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The DA and ACDP talk about it, but only because it will score them points. They'd demand criminals were dressed in pink tuxedos if they thought it would get them more votes.

I've seen the above parties in debates on this issue and I've never seen any evidence that either has thought it through.
 
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