dlk001
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There's a lot of things you seem to remember but can never reference.
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There's a lot of things you seem to remember but can never reference.
marine1
Honorary Master
So you still elude to the question. Hmmm makes me wonder...Ahhh ok so it was not you. You could have just answered instead of acting like a child and making it a race issue. But I suppose thats what is expected isn't it. It was actually Datura.
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dlk001
Executive Member
Look who's talking? Its Marine1!!!
When i asked "What is your point?", You could have just answered instead of acting like a child. But I suppose thats what is expected isn't it.
marine1
Honorary Master
You just wanted to argue or get a spark out of me. The difference is that i was actually quite interested to talk to a black Jew who lives in SA. But then i suppose your attitudes towards me (maybe because I am white? :SD) clouded that.
Why is everyone trying to bait people like this?
marine1
Honorary Master
Bobby, they feel much better when they say "you are a racist". It maybe makes them feel like they have won something. Whatever, we could have had some interesting conversation but race had to come in.
Its an interesting point Bageloo. During my engineering Studies at UCT, students from the townships persevered, made it despite all the political obstacles. The ones with the 'twang" had a tendency to disappear in mid year.
Most employers don't realise that a "twang" is by no means a measure of one's intellingence. What is more important is what lies beneath the impressive accent.
I have a capie "twang", and I'm pretty sure I've been turned down for a job because of it. But I can neutralise my accent which I do whenever I'm on the phone anyway
dlk001
Executive Member
True. Sometimes, a limitation in speaking English coherently rather than the accent can be an issue. A very clever author will deliver an excellent scientific paper with a very poor English. Often, the audience will remember a good presentation and look at the proceedings for the paper. But, when the audience cannot understand the presentation, a good paper can be easy left out.
dlk001
Executive Member
Its not everyone. I am targeting this to marine1 because that is honestly my impression of him at the time.
Marine1, I was not arguing. You created a myth in yourself that I am Jewish. Then it became a fact because you said you remembered me saying it. Then when I want you to substantiate your allusions, instead of answering the question, you bait the issue by saying "So you still elude to the question. Hmmm makes me wonder"
Next time, think, listen and decide who said what, where and when!!!
marine1
Honorary Master
No no no dont even try and take the high ground. I asked you if you were Jewish as i remembered you saying it. Being a gentleman you could have corrected me there and then but no you would rather use it in a racial argument to try and make yourself feel good. Please man grow up.
dlk001
Executive Member
Don't be angry now. Be a gentleman!!!
marine1
Honorary Master
Angry? Me ? Never.
RogueTr00per
Honorary Master
I'm not a history buff, but politicians being politicians tend to do whatever will get them the most votes. The majority are black in this country, so if a party wants to get the black vote, they better look after black voters too.
As far as voting is concerned, if we cant begin to look past a person's skin colour, we are screwed!
Even a politician's past actions are no indication of what is in their mind then or now. Look at all the fallen ANC struggle heroes. Look at how the ANC squanders public money. I don't believe they have the public interest at heart
This would depend on where in China u go to. Even amongst Chinese, I think someone from the south would not be as welcome as someone from the North. A city like Shanghai is more cosmopolitan than the rest, AFAIK. If u can speak the lingo, u r gonna be much better off. If not, u r gonna struggle. In any event, anyone not far-east Asian is gonna get stares, but again, this depends where u go. I speak under correction here, so u might be better off asking someone who was actually born in China and has travelled around the country with exposure to foreigners...
We should not forget about minorities and discard them like yesterdays newspaper. Surely we are better than that (now) than to not give a hoot about people just because they are the wrong colour and a statistical minority?
Here's a post I made to an old thread w.r.t. group areas...
On the engineering front, it sounds like the country is in trouble.
Edit: here's the full thread: Call to scrap affirmative action
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dlk001
Executive Member
Its true what you are saying. I often get frustrated myself when I feel marginilized. If there's one thing people learned from my res, at tertiary during 1992-1997, its the difficulty in addressing the needs of 415 students from diverse races in a changing political climate.
That's why I have so much hope in the next generation of leaders!
Yeah. The ANCYL truly inspires confidence.Its true what you are saying. I often get frustrated myself when I feel marginilized. If there's one thing people learned from my res, at tertiary during 1992-1997, its the difficulty in addressing the needs of 415 students from diverse races in a changing political climate.
That's why I have so much hope in the next generation of leaders!
dlk001
Executive Member
Well, I was referring to the current youth (all races) who will make up the leadership in this country (political and private) sector.
Chances are pretty strong that todays influential ANC members' children are ANCYL members. Many leaders are coming out of ANCYL ranks - and a lot of money was and is being pumped into the organisation [Brett Kebble refers]. There are just over half a million active ANCYL members. That's a fair amount. And future political leaders will come from ANC ranks - which starts in the ANCYL.
dlk001
Executive Member
Most influential ANC member's children are not active ANCYL members. If they were, then the ANCYL would be an influential organisation in this country's leadership and its not. The ANCYL is in fact worried about being marginalized by the current leadership hence its association with grass roots level people i.e. Zuma.
Here is a list of ANCYL leaders. Since Walter Sisulu, lets look at how many of the poeple in the list took influential positions in gvt?
Anton Muziwakhe Lembede (1944 – 1947)
Dr Mxolisi Majombozi
Oliver Tambo
Nelson Mandela
Walter Sisulu
Peter Mokaba
Mlungisi (Lulu) Johnson
Malusi Nkanyezi Gigaba
Fikile April Mbalula
The only ANCYL members who come from influential ANC members are the Nkuhlu's. Even then, Prof Wiseman Nkuhlu is more of a president's friend than an influential ANC member like Smuts Ngonyama.
And how many of those are dead or retired?
ANCYL leaders don't necessarily become ANC leaders, as you said, but in the last 2 presidents of the country, one of them was also an ANCYL leader. The current regime is extremely pro Mbeki, and this has split the ANC into various camps, so it stands to reason that the rather pro Zuma ANCYL will probably hold less favour with Mbeki when he chooses his cabinet. In any case, many of the cabinet ministers were chosen from the ANCWL, another strong ANC leadership "academy", and Mbeki is very pro women in leadership, slightly unlike the Youth League. But in any case, the ANCYL is a sub organisation of the ANC in its entirety, just as the ANCWL. It has independent leaders, but that's comparable to any large scale organisation anywhere in the world. The ANCYL are not a political party though, and they vote ANC - which is the parent and a political party. Therefore, ANCYL members can be seen as ANC members directly anyway.
ANCYL leaders don't necessarily become ANC leaders, as you said, but in the last 2 presidents of the country, one of them was also an ANCYL leader. The current regime is extremely pro Mbeki, and this has split the ANC into various camps, so it stands to reason that the rather pro Zuma ANCYL will probably hold less favour with Mbeki when he chooses his cabinet. In any case, many of the cabinet ministers were chosen from the ANCWL, another strong ANC leadership "academy", and Mbeki is very pro women in leadership, slightly unlike the Youth League. But in any case, the ANCYL is a sub organisation of the ANC in its entirety, just as the ANCWL. It has independent leaders, but that's comparable to any large scale organisation anywhere in the world. The ANCYL are not a political party though, and they vote ANC - which is the parent and a political party. Therefore, ANCYL members can be seen as ANC members directly anyway.