C.A.P.E. party

After (attempting to) sludge through 10 pages of this I thought it would be obvious to most: You either vote directly for the DA, or you vote for the ANC (either directly or indirectly). Giving these obscure-to-say-the least parties your vote is just taking your vote away from the already poor opposition vote.

The creators of these parties are pig-sh*t retarded. You can only attain a "true" democracy when the leading party has some form of true opposition; do you really think national... well... everything would be so pisspoor if the ANC had 51% and the opposition party had 49%?

The leading party needs an incentive to deliver, which right now, they don't have, and an opposition which could potentially swing the majority should they even so much as fart, would certainly be a fscking incentive... Hence, the failing state of this nation.

I mean seriously; there's a party called KISS... My word.
 
CarsinemiA said:
After (attempting to) sludge through 10 pages of this I thought it would be obvious to most: You either vote directly for the DA, or you vote for the ANC (either directly or indirectly). Giving these obscure-to-say-the least parties your vote is just taking your vote away from the already poor opposition vote.

The creators of these parties are pig-sh*t retarded. You can only attain a "true" democracy when the leading party has some form of true opposition; do you really think national... well... everything would be so pisspoor if the ANC had 51% and the opposition party had 49%?

The leading party needs an incentive to deliver, which right now, they don't have, and an opposition which could potentially swing the majority should they even so much as fart, would certainly be a fscking incentive... Hence, the failing state of this nation.

I mean seriously; there's a party called KISS... My word.
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You are assuming that one opposition party would result in the ANC getting 51%. What makes you think that if you combine the current opposition parties you will get 49%?
Last elections the ANC got around 65% of the votes which leaves about 35% for the opposition.
 
Who would actually support splitting up WC from SA, insane...only the Europeans want more separations and even more countries so that we can always be in conflict and always need their assistant while they are becoming as one(EU). This is basic 'art of war' 101 and for those who don't see this, you need to wake up.
 
VioAdmin said:
Who would actually support splitting up WC from SA, insane...only the Europeans want more separations and even more countries so that we can always be in conflict and always need their assistant while they are becoming as one(EU). This is basic 'art of war' 101 and for those who don't see this, you need to wake up.
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Lol. Europe is at war with us?
 
Nick333 said:
Lol. Europe is at war with us?
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lol ...it's deeper than that, in many ways yes. They have the mental hold on us here, look at the rate exchange, look at who owns most businesses(vodacom, telkom, cellc) etc, if you look at the shareholders info, all being operated by the Europeans...it's a bit fishy to me.
 
VioAdmin said:
lol ...it's deeper than that, in many ways yes. They have the mental hold on us here, look at the rate exchange, look at who owns most businesses(vodacom, telkom, cellc) etc, if you look at the shareholders info, all being operated by the Europeans...it's a bit fishy to me.
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or maybe Europeans work harder and don't expect everything to come by themselves.
 
zulgin said:
or maybe Europeans work harder and don't expect everything to come by themselves.
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Can't argue with you there, putting others through slavery is a master plan, the Vatican/Romans are masters of that. I guess they worked hard to do that.
 
VioAdmin said:
lol ...it's deeper than that, in many ways yes. They have the mental hold on us here, look at the rate exchange, look at who owns most businesses(vodacom, telkom, cellc) etc, if you look at the shareholders info, all being operated by the Europeans...it's a bit fishy to me.
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It's called foreign investment. Europe is certainly in competition with us globally bit there's nothing sinister about it.

All the billions Europe has invested here is billions of reasons not to want a economically weak South Africa.

Your theory sounds like nationalist, xenophobic paranoia I'm sorry to say.
 
VioAdmin said:
Can't argue with you there, putting others through slavery is a master plan, the Vatican/Romans are masters of that. I guess they worked hard to do that.
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Point taken but what made Rome what it was was exactly that. The Roman army could put up an impregnable fort in half an afternoon.
 
VioAdmin said:
lol ...it's deeper than that, in many ways yes. They have the mental hold on us here, look at the rate exchange, look at who owns most businesses(vodacom, telkom, cellc) etc, if you look at the shareholders info, all being operated by the Europeans...it's a bit fishy to me.
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Buddy, I'd love to smoke some of the kush you smoke :D
 
Nick333 said:
Point taken but what made Rome what it was was exactly that. The Roman army could put up an impregnable fort in half an afternoon.
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I was watching Battles BC - it took Caesar's men 2 odd weeks to build a FRIKKIN WALL around Alesia. Actually, one and a half walls. Two weeks! Good grief, if the Italians worked half as hard the old Romans did, they'd be more prosperous than the Chinese.
 
VioAdmin said:
Can't argue with you there, putting others through slavery is a master plan, the Vatican/Romans are masters of that. I guess they worked hard to do that.
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Zero tolerance, then again they worked hard to put human rights together as well.
 
phenom said:
Sure, and they may well have a better understanding of ethics too, thing is that this is not what I've started this thread for. What I am trying to discuss here is the single proposition and the very proposition that CAPE is known for, which is to separate the WC and declare what is ours, this is what i was trying to discuss and question here (see the OP). & for the rest: I am also not here to 'advertise CAPE', in fact i've clearly enough stated that I don't know them and also that I may not even agree with most of their own politics, thing is that what I do find intresting is the very first stance and promise they are offering, this is to separate the WC, and this argument that they are giving is what i think is so relevant to discuss.
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We DEMAND! :rolleyes:
 
Damn straight its not yours...

Its part of South Africa, instead of trying to turn tail and take the "easy" option and just say "we want nothing to do with South Africa", why don't you guys get your heads out of the sand and help make this WHOLE country the place it actually can be.
 
I think you live in an incredibly naive little rose-tinted world if you think this would ever be allowed...

Its not up to the residents of the WC only anyway... its an issue that would effect the ENTIRE country and therefore would have to be voted on by the entire country (should you wish to even begin to attempt to do it in a peaceful manner)

(Don't quite know what quoting Article 1 of the UN Charter is meant to achieve since it actually doesn't support your point of view.
 
phenom said:
Of course it is. The Western Cape belongs to the people who live and own property within it's boarders.
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Yeah, I know what the purpose of the United Nations is. I still don't see how the Western Cape is yours.

I own property in the Western Cape, and would like the Western Cape to stay included in South Africa. So there's my vote against secession that cancels out yours - oh dear... all your effort wasted (that is if indeed you own property, and don't rent, because you don't get a vote if you don't own, according to your logic).

Let's take another approach to get some metrics. Essentially, if you want to secede, there is only one party vote for... CAPE. So the number of CAPE party voters roughly translates to the number of people wanting to secede.

Of the other 2000 odd CAPE Party supporters, take the ones that own property... so let's be very generous and assume that they aren't all renting and aren't all families of voters that share housing (husband and wife; children above 18 etc; grandma and / or grandpa etc)... say 1300. Now consider everybody else.

There are millions that don't want secession. Take EVERY other household in the Western Cape... and compare the difference.

So at what point do you realise that nobody agrees with you, and that it would be easier for you to join up with another opposition party that can actually make a difference, instead of trying to weaken opposition?

Do you really think nobody is voting for the Cape Party simply because they haven't heard of them? Do you think they haven't heard of the idea of secession and you are enlightening them?

I'm curious as to how much support you think you can garner?
 
Useless poll that means nothing.

There are no metrics for the number of people who responded, whether they were all different people, what their demographic and location is.
 
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