Canon EOS 7D introduced

events photographers drop-kick the 5dII in favour of the d700 (so I've heard from a very knowledgeable dude)
believe me he knows


but he says 5dII awesome for landscape/studio/portrait
 
ldmelsa said:
events photographers drop-kick the 5dII in favour of the d700 (so I've heard from a very knowledgeable dude)
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Why? Is he shooting events at 8fps?

If I'm shooting an event, I'd be using my flashgun, so the differences become of academic interest.
 
koffiejunkie said:
Have you looked at the Nikon D700? Full frame with a flash. I don't care if the viewfinder isn't as big as possible. My Rebel (old film - 500N) has a comparatively small viewfinder, but it's still much bigger than on the 50D.
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Didn't know the Nikon 700 had a flash, you gotta admit though the viewfinder/flash is pretty chunky hey? One reason the 5D is so nice, is that it's a relatively unassuming low profile camera, the average person can't tell that it's a relatively high ticket item.

koffiejunkie said:
You know what they say about the best camera being the one you have with you? Same goes for flash. I have a dedicated flash but sometimes I take my camera along to events where I'm a guest, really for my own snaps, and the pop-up flash is more than adequate for that. I don't want to be dragging along a big flashgun, especially if I'm going to be handing the camera around (to also be in at least a few pictures).
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If it's just snaps you're taking, a 5D can be cumbersome anyway. My old G9 stays in the cubby hole for these occasions. We all have our preferences, thats why no camera will ever be perfect. Rarely do i ever wish I had a built in flash, and even if it is social snaps where I have only the 5DII on hand, screwing on speedlight for far better results is really no effort. Otherwise opening up the lens and boosting the ISO often gets you out of a bind..
koffiejunkie said:
They could have put the 40D/50D AF in it, which is a good improvement.
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I dont think these AF systems would work on a full frame?
 
pop-up flash is great for fill (which is what it's for)
when you don't have a flash with you and you need a fill light you'll understand what I'm talking about
just make sure you have a warming gel
 
Moklet Kcuf said:
Didn't know the Nikon 700 had a flash, you gotta admit though the viewfinder/flash is pretty chunky hey? One reason the 5D is so nice, is that it's a relatively unassuming low profile camera, the average person can't tell that it's a relatively high ticket item.
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I haven't held them next to each other, but the D700's profile didn't bother me - it doesn't seem bigger than the 5DmkII.

Moklet Kcuf said:
If it's just snaps you're taking, a 5D can be cumbersome anyway. My old G9 stays in the cubby hole for these occasions.
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Ironically, flash is the reason I don't use the G9 for this. The G9's flash do a pretty piss poor job of fill unless you're in one of the idiot modes (in which case I might as well take my cybershot which is half the size).

Moklet Kcuf said:
I have only the 5DII on hand, screwing on speedlight for far better results is really no effort. Otherwise opening up the lens and boosting the ISO often gets you out of a bind..
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That's fine as long as I'm the only one taking pictures. The moment I hand it to someone else, it's got to be idiot proof.

Moklet Kcuf said:
I dont think these AF systems would work on a full frame?
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Why not? The AF system in the 5D and 5DmkII is straight out of the 10D (or 20D - can't remember). Ever noticed how the spacing of the AF points in the 5D is narrower in proportion to the size of the viewfinder than it is in the crop bodies?

ldmelsa said:
pop-up flash is great for fill (which is what it's for)
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Which is just about the only thing I use it for.
 
ldmelsa said:
pop-up flash is great for fill (which is what it's for)
when you don't have a flash with you and you need a fill light you'll understand what I'm talking about
just make sure you have a warming gel
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True, that is a positive. You could also say though '"just make sure you have a speedlight" :p
 
for some types of photography you don't want to carry that extra thing around
it's then when fill is useful

my EOS3 does not have a fill flash either
 
koffiejunkie said:
Ironically, flash is the reason I don't use the G9 for this.
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yep it's a horrific flash, like most other compacts, it is only a 'snapshot' camera.
koffiejunkie said:
That's fine as long as I'm the only one taking pictures. The moment I hand it to someone else, it's got to be idiot proof.
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Yes I know what you mean, but it's Horses for Courses. A Speedlight ETTF is fairly foolproof too, my little 8 year old niece got some great shots with my 1D, 580EX & Gary Fong diffuser at a recent big family gathering, much rather give it to her than my thumble-fingered brother!
koffiejunkie said:
Why not? The AF system in the 5D and 5DmkII is straight out of the 10D (or 20D - can't remember). Ever noticed how the spacing of the AF points in the 5D is narrower in proportion to the size of the viewfinder than it is in the crop bodies?
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I really dont know the technicalities, but I am aware the 5DII doesn't have a fast or sophisticated AF, which isn't really a big deal for me in most instances.

All said, the built-in flash on the 7D wont be a deal breaker for me either.
 
Furthermore -
I just read all the tech info on the 7D. Yes if AF is a critical issue, its a no brainer over the 5D. In fact, they are not really cameras you can readily compare. Each have their distinctions.

The 7D I think is a very well targeted Camera, fitting a new niche that will prove very popular.

Now, anyone want to buy my old 400D? ;)
 
koffiejunkie said:
Just kidding. After tasting 6400 ISO, there's no way I'd go to an original 5D...
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I thought you were refering to the 5D II.

The original 5D was my first digital camera and I have barely a negative thing to say about it.

Having been fortunate enough to use and own a whole range of cameras, I typically see a camera for what it can do, not what it can't. Just because it doesn't have some specifications as good as another, doesn't mean you can't take a better photo or it's worthfulness is diminished.

"A true tradesman never blames his tools" I think is a more relevant quote in regards to photography than it ever has been.

The original 5D is still a highly useful camera. Or for that matter, on a philosophical level, so is any camera.
 
I must be completely missing why this is a xD rather than a xxD :confused:

The popup flash does nothing for me - they're poor substitutes for a real flash due to their proximity to the lens.

I'm really not sure what to make of it all. I'm tempted, due to the video and the high fps, but only as a possible backup.
 
bwana said:
I must be completely missing why this is a xD rather than a xxD :confused:

The popup flash does nothing for me - they're poor substitutes for a real flash due to their proximity to the lens.

I'm really not sure what to make of it all. I'm tempted, due to the video and the high fps, but only as a possible backup.
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For information's sake,

Single numeric D's in the Canon world are rare.I think,since 2004 there's only been the 1D and the 5D released.

Speculations have for a long time, been for either a 3D or 7D.

The regularity of releases between Canon's Pro and Consumer cameras has pretty much been relative to the amount of digits on the camera

In my view, Dual Digic processors, I8 Megapixel APS sensor, 8 fps shutter speed and an advenced Auto Focus system, pretty much make this an industry gobsmack!

My interpretation for novices:
X rare
XX ooh nice
XXX in timing with xmas and other consumer targeted occasions
 
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Moklet Kcuf said:
The original 5D is still a highly useful camera. Or for that matter, on a philosophical level, so is any camera.
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the original 5d still has stunning image quality
very detailed - only cameras more detailed are the 5dII and up (nikon 3dx and up)
my d90 is nowhere near as detailed as the 5d (even though it says its 12mp)
the original 5d still has better lowlight than my d90 (that's because it's an FF cam - it keeps its colour and detail)

does it have the functionality of my d90? not a chance
does it whip my d90's ass at landscape and lowlight? oh yeah
 
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