CapeXit 2

[Brian_G]

Poll seems to mainly be having a tug of war between these two choices;







Sometimes neck and neck

 

[lexity]

Do you believe in standards at all?

Yes. Not only do I believe in standards.... I believe in standards that are of, by and for the people.

If you want to be governed by the people, you need to let them speak through the free market.

There is no other way the people can accurately express, on a wide scale, who is competent enough to deserve community support.

You put a lot of trust in the individual.

Correct. The utmost primacy.

How many truly trustworthy individuals do you know?

In this, Statist, regime? Where morals are easily corrupted?

Not nearly enough. That should be obvious.

 

[lexity]

Poll seems to mainly be having a tug of war between these two choices;


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Sometimes neck and neck

The perfect indicator of separation.

We don't need to force our distinct core values and rules on each other.

Do we?

 

[Brian_G]

You put a lot of trust in the individual.

Correct. The utmost primacy.

Thing is, governments (which by now we've ALL established as somewhat necessary) are made up of such individuals, so you have to work with that too.

And how else are we going to (try to) stop corporate-type extremes?

 

[ToxicBunny]

You are illustrating the exact point I've been trying to make. And doing a wonderful job, so far. Hit the nail flush on the head.

Complete control of its curriculum and standards. <----- now, that..... is what a private school looks like.

Don't tell me you went to a private school if your school needed permission from their fellow citizens to devise a curriculum and set its own standards.

No it isn't, nowhere on the planet operates like this.

Governments have centrally defined curriculums for a very very good reason even if you don't like it.

 

[Brian_G]

Governments have centrally defined curriculums for a very very good reason even if you don't like it.

Some of those factors are abusive though, let's give him that..

 

[ToxicBunny]

Some of those factors are abusive though, let's give him that..

Maybe, but it doesn't negate the core concept of why they exist.

 

[lexity]

If the Western Cape people decided by majority i.e. 50%+1, to secede from the Rainbow Project, I will lend my voice to anyone who wishes to opt out of the newly seceded territory.

And I expect the very same courtesy if it goes the other way.

Iow, let the referendum results decide where the genuine, democratically-decided borders exist, and update the map to accurately reflect them.

If you find yourself living/working on the wrong side of those borders you can decide:

Either:

1) Remain on the side that has core values not entirely compatible with your own, and pay the penalty every time you infringe,

or ...

2) Relocate to the one that who laws are more compatible with those of your own, where you won't have to pay a penalty for acting in the same way.

A referendum can be used in this way to virtually eliminate most crime. And this will be true on both sides of the 2 State solution.

 

[Brian_G]

I see some questions are bieng avoided again... oh well.

A referendum can be used in this way to virtually eliminate most crime. And this will be true on both sides of the 2 State solution.

Let's talk reality though - funding a referendum (privately or not) is massively expensive 'cos we're only "half-civilised" here.

And no ways there's time / priority to focus on that related question you just brought up. And how many others would like their questions answered by poll referendum as well?

Not practical, little reason to consider this.

 

[lexity]

No it isn't, nowhere on the planet operates like this.

That's no doubt what plantation-owners said, prior to the abolition of slavery.

Governments have centrally defined curriculums for a very very good reason even if you don't like it.

That's just it..... we have to take their word for it.

Meantime their definition of 'good' is whatever they decide without your (market, voting using your feet)involvement.

Who demands that you buy their goods/services whether you approve of the standards or not?

The State, and its cronies.... that's who.

This is the regime we live under.... experts are not selected on merit, but are decreed via the most effective instrument of force/compulsion.

 

[Brian_G]

No, if patches of land were indeed to be elected for consideration as independent candidates, we would at least first need to have enough of an indicator of truly strong desire, at least in some of those areas. So far, just a wishy-washy poll-based daydream as far as I can see....

And anyway, that would make the new country look like the old Bophuthatswana homeland map - a semi-joke that never really worked well enough.

If we lived on the internet then geography itself would be less important. But we don't. Can't.

 

[Grant]

Yes. Not only do I believe in standards.... I believe in standards that are of, by and for the people.

that seems to clash somewhat with your earlier comment:

Don't tell me you went to private school if your school needed permission from their fellow citizens to devise a curriculum and set its own standards.

 

[ToxicBunny]

That's no doubt what plantation-owners said, prior to the abolition of slavery.


That's just it..... we have to take their word for it.

Meantime their definition of 'good' is whatever they decide without your (market, voting using your feet)involvement.

Who demands that you buy their goods/services whether you approve of the standards or not?

The State, and its cronies.... that's who.

This is the regime we live under.... experts are not selected on merit, but are decreed via the most effective instrument of force/compulsion.

Thats ever so slightly a bit of reaching, even for you lexy.

 

[Splinter]

Some of those factors are abusive though, let's give him that..

That's not the only thing you want to give him....

Tell us all, honestly, when did you become a proponent of secession?

 

[Brian_G]

This is the regime we live under.... experts are not selected on merit, but are decreed via the most effective instrument of force/compulsion.

And that's what we have to work on. If we just leave it to market forces, it will end up worse, 'cos corporates answer less to the people than govts. do, by far.

We need better, firmer, more effective govt. checks and balances. Nothing else..

 

[lexity]

Some of those factors are abusive though, let's give him that..

I'm going much further than that.

I'm saying abuse is baked into the cake, where you relinquish(to the Collective) the responsibility for appointing winning contractors.

 

[Splinter]

that seems to clash somewhat with your earlier comment:

And is not an elected government of the people?

Forgetting the ANC of course, is the schooling system inherently not part of the vote?

 

[vigras rojara]

Do you think that a referendum could be held regarding cancelling that dreadful South-Easterly wind?

It seems grossly unfair that only the crony capitalists and pinko commies living off the state are able to live in suburbs that are sheltered from its wrath, while the hoi poloi are forced to deal with its rigours throughout the long summer months.

This is a great injustice, as everyone should be able to choose whether or not to associate with this South-Easter.

Those that choose the extreme wind could in turn secede and practice their kite surfing and other witchcraft while not imposing on the rights of others. Blouberg might be a good location for this windswept realm.

 

[Brian_G]

That's not the only thing you want to give him....

Leave you daydream fantasies in the toilet pleez

Tell us all, honestly, when did you become a proponent of secession?

As soon as it became clear that the ANC were becoming irreversibly corrupt, sometime during the later part of Zuma's rule. Why?

 

[ToxicBunny]

And is not an elected government of the people?

Forgetting the ANC of course, is the schooling system inherently not part of the vote?

It is, lexy just doesn't like the choice the people have made so far, so his solution is to burn it all to the ground cos it will be better.