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[lexity]

Ummm, every single time the WC people have voted they have got the government they voted for lexy, regardless of how much you dislike the outcome.

The WC is a part of RSA and their vote has counted precisely how much it should towards the national vote count.

That's some serious kool-aid you're drinking there, buddy.

Keep posting good reasons for separation.

#to-get-more-of-it-stoopid-needs-to-be-subsidized

 

[Cray]

Let's take a moment to remember this:

In the entire 32-year history of the Rainbow Project, the WC people have never once gotten the government they voted for, and have practically zero chance of changing that, given the ongoing trajectory.

And KZN didn't get an MK ruled country either. That's kinda how democracy works in SA. The WC did get the local government they voted form.

 

[ToxicBunny]

That's some serious kool-aid you're drinking there, buddy.

Keep posting good reasons for separation.

#to-get-more-of-it-stoopid-needs-to-be-subsidized

Not in the slightest lexy.

Its called democracy, I know you hate the idea but reality doesn't give two shytes about your fantasies.

 

[Brian_G]

Yes..... really.

The reason is explained in the 'my theory' post, from Sunday.

Here is the link, again...

Post in thread 'Israel says it has launched attack on Iran, as explosions reported in Tehran'

Mar 8, 2026

The "religious" aspects of this war by Israel should not be underestimated.

As nuts as that sounds, when everything about the war doesn't make sense and those who started it cannot offer a sensible explanation ,then expect that there might actually be none!!!!

It's all rooted in something so insane that hardly anyone would consider it

Here's my theory....

I think it boils down to the adoption of the presumption of what you might call hyper (Biological) materialism. That's where an individual doesn't have the answer as to the origins of mankind as a species, and...

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^ This also explains the psychology comment, earlier. As well as the abuse of the term 'psyche'(from yesterday).

Sure, I get the concept. Point being, although you've got to consider trying, you yourself have seen that you're dealing in some ways with barbarians (some of them) - so my point re bloodshed stands.

As for psychology - I too see some dangers in how its developed, but don't take the low road and generalise so much here - there's many positive factors in the history, and application of psychology too.

 

[Grant]

Let's take a moment to remember this:

In the entire 32-year history of the Rainbow Project, the WC people have never once gotten the government they voted for,

toss the dog a bone:

what was the govt they voted for ?

 

[Brian_G]

A mixed-economy always leads to Socialism

I'm not one for absolutes. Let's rather say, that's a dangerous road...

 

[Brian_G]

toss the dog a bone:

what was the govt they voted for ?

He means that the ANC still have too much control in WC

 

[lexity]

And KZN didn't get an MK ruled country either. That's kinda how democracy works in SA. The WC did get the local government they voted form.

That's because the local government in the form of the DA falsely portrayed their core values as being pro-federalism.

That has been exposed, to anyone paying attention.

They still did not get what they vote consistently for, as promised by the DA i.e. increased control over police/security, transport, finance and education.

 

[lexity]

I'm not one for absolutes. Let's rather say, that's a dangerous road...

Is failing to prosecute pedophiles harmful to society?

 

[Splinter]

Lol, the puppy speaking of wide-eyed innocence. Gotta love it, *pat, pat*

Hitting a nerve, again, it seems......

 

[ToxicBunny]

That's because the local government in the form of the DA falsely portrayed their core values as being pro-federalism.

That has been exposed, to anyone paying attention.

They still did not get what they vote consistently for, as promised by the DA i.e. increased control over police/security, transport, finance and education.

And how exactly are the DA supposed to give that to them if the National government doesn't devolve the powers?

The DA have been pushing for it, and continue to do so.
Again you try to reframe reality to suit your RDF but it never stands up to even the vaguest scrutiny.

 

[lexity]

Brian_G, consider this....

The NDR consists of stage 1 and 2:

1) politicise the masses under 'capitalist' Apartheid, using violent means where necessary,

2) adopt a mixed-economy, with a Democracy veneer, which can be used to gradually transition the masses to Communism(basically through instilling fear in that majority, to alter/remove any constitutional safeguards e.g. EWC/nil-compenstion).

 

[vigras rojara]

Brian_G, consider this....

The NDR consists of stage 1 and 2:

1) politicise the masses under 'capitalist' Apartheid, using violent means where necessary,

2) adopt a mixed-economy, with a Democracy veneer, which can be used to gradually transition the masses to Communism(basically through instilling fear in that majority, to alter/remove any constitutional safeguards e.g. EWC/nil-compenstion).

What's your timeline on this communism, which you seem to think is inevitable?

 

[lexity]

And how exactly are the DA supposed to give that to them if the National government doesn't devolve the powers?

The DA have been pushing for it, and continue to do so.
Again you try to reframe reality to suit your RDF but it never stands up to even the vaguest scrutiny.

The WC premier has the constitution power to call a referendum.

If he can see that the WC people cannot get the govt they vote for, and the party they do vote for is denied federal powers, he has a duty to call a referendum.

According to his oath, the premier may not invoke his own personal preference to override that of the people.

 

[Cray]

They still did not get what they vote consistently for, as promised by the DA i.e. increased control over police/security, transport, finance and education.

That sounds like a problem with DA election promises, not with the way democracy itself works in this country.

 

[ToxicBunny]

The WC premier has the constitution power to call a referendum.

If he can see that the WC people cannot get the govt they vote for, and the party they do vote for is denied federal powers, he has a duty to call a referendum.

According to his oath, the premier may not invoke his own personal preference to override that of the people.

But they got the government they voted for, what you actually mean is the WC people didn't get the government you wanted.
He doesn't have a duty to call a referendum because you don't like the outcome in the slightest though.

 

[Cray]

The WC premier has the constitution power to call a referendum.

If he can see that the WC people cannot get the govt they vote for, and the party they do vote for is denied federal powers, he has a duty to call a referendum.

He only has a duty if there is credible evidence that such a referendum would have some chance of success, otherwise it's a frivolous waste of taxpayer funds.

According to his oath, the premier may not invoke his own personal preference to override that of the people.

You have zero evidence that most people want an independant WC though...

 

[vigras rojara]

The WC premier has the constitution power to call a referendum.

If he can see that the WC people cannot get the govt they vote for, and the party they do vote for is denied federal powers, he has a duty to call a referendum.

According to his oath, the premier may not invoke his own personal preference to override that of the people.

The Western Cape premier also has the responsibility to deal prudently with "other people's money".

Wasting it on some frivolous referendum sounds like a dereliction of duty.

 

[lexity]

What's your timeline on this communism, which you seem to think is inevitable?

It's hard to say exactly.... but history shows that (near/)economic collapse is a factor.

The NDRer's have resorted to gradualist approach.

The interview above (FMF-IRR) appears to indicate the NDR comes from Lenin's style of implementation. But Lenin was not a solely a theorist. He was a violent, implementer that had no patience to sit out a gradual 'capitalistic suicide', as they saw it.

But it appears as though the ANC has incorporated what you might call a Fabian approach.... that of gradualism. A long war of attrition against bottom-up rule/increasing middle-class influence.

In '89, it wasn't Fabian Socialism that failed. It was the radical, violent revolutionary approach to Communism.

This is exactly what we have seen vi the ANC and other RET parties. Despite some factions being more radical and Lenninist, in their approach, they are all still moving in unison towards ending privacy of person and property, and ruturning to a 2-tier system of socio-economic control.

 

[Brian_G]

Brian_G, consider this....

The NDR consists of stage 1 and 2:

1) politicise the masses under 'capitalist' Apartheid, using violent means where necessary,

2) adopt a mixed-economy, with a Democracy veneer, which can be used to gradually transition the masses to Communism(basically through instilling fear in that majority, to alter/remove any constitutional safeguards e.g. EWC/nil-compenstion).

Oh, locally I agree.

BTW, in what way is your idea of separatist lifestyle not apartheid?