CapeXit 2

[lexity]

@Brian_G if you want a more current example of someone who cannot tolerate 's o' and 'e b'.... I give you Netanyahu .... and Trump.

 

[Brian_G]

Ok. Good question. (we are proceeding on the basis that this is relevant to the topic of capexit)

Well, it certainly looks at the earlier idea that people have the right to make their own way in life, which is then about WC secession... but stretching its field of play perhaps.

'We' already tolerate murder. That's a fact in the case of the large village in the international community called the USA.

That happened following 9/11.... the ptb decide to hell with limits on the State, we can now assassinate US citizens anywhere in the world.



Do we do nothing about it?

That's not a personal answer, but good enough.

And it's similar to what I was going to refer to - the current US & Israel war against Iran.
The trick - if you didn't agree before, that consideration may change your mind; terrorism is a serious issue of course. If you did agree before, I would have then said well done, based on this example, but then questioned the morality.

Anyway - I think that's going too far generally.
Re Iran - I'm on the fence, unfortunately (don't want to be).

By now you should know, but let me remind you.... the one thing that mass criminals fear above all else is......

Let's see if you can guess:

(clue: s..... o........ and e...... b......)

Too tired.. but sounds like something I'll agree with.

 

[Brian_G]

@Brian_G if you want a more current example of someone who cannot tolerate 's o' and 'e b'.... I give you Netanyahu .... and Trump.

Snap...

Lol

 

[Brian_G]

Point being made is that if you don't stand up when things go sour, then things will remain sour, likely get worse.

Best to add that "standing up" is of course not to be taken lightly, no easy task and still not always the individual wisest move.

And not wanting to get shot etc. is not cowardice in my book.

 

[vigras rojara]

Do you want to play games, or get to the issue? Point being made is that if you don't stand up when things go sour, then things will remain sour, likely get worse.

The point is that democracy doesn't mean that every act of parliament requires a referendum to pass it. That would impossible to manage.

Elected officials passing legislation that you or I may not like, doesn't mean that we don't live in democracies.

 

[Brian_G]

The point is that democracy doesn't mean that every act of parliament requires a referendum to pass it. That would impossible to manage.

Elected officials passing legislation that you or I may not like, doesn't mean that we don't live in democracies.

I picked the example due to it being a major change, one that can't be seen as ordinary law evolution, by any means.

 

[vigras rojara]

I picked the example due to it being a major change, one that can't be seen as ordinary law evolution, by any means.

Ah, ok. I thought it might be the "I don't agree with that law therefore there's no democracy" argument.

 

[Brian_G]

Last word tonight for you Lex - I was in a very difficult relationship, chalk and cheese type stuff, but much positive as well and a lot of caring.

We tried, and tried, nearly killed each other at times, but years later... it's great! 35 years now

Don't be so quick to separate as a solution.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

Normal people.

Do I like the outcome in SA? No. Do I accept it? Yes.

Maybe I'm understanding your response incorrectly.

Are you saying that whatever legislation is amended, you wouldn't agree with it necessarily, but in the end you'll just accept it ?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Maybe I'm understanding your response incorrectly.

Are you saying that whatever legislation is amended, you wouldn't agree with it necessarily, but in the end you'll just accept it ?

If it's done legally and in a democratic fashion yes.

But my accepting it doesn't ever mean I like it, and should it be bad enough I'd likely emigrate.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

If it's done legally and in a democratic fashion yes.

But my accepting it doesn't ever mean I like it, and should it be bad enough I'd likely emigrate.

A couple of examples,
BELA Act Basic Education
NHI Bill
Firearms Control Act (Now again going under the microscope)
Expropriation Bill EWC
Employment Equity & BBE

Nothing about the above-mentioned are democratic.

 

[ToxicBunny]

A couple of examples,
BELA Act Basic Education
NHI Bill
Firearms Control Act (Now again going under the microscope)
Expropriation Bill EWC
Employment Equity & BBE

Nothing about the above-mentioned are democratic.

Some of them are, even if you don't like them.

Others are being challenged in court and the outcomes will determine their future.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

Some of them are, even if you don't like them.

Which one's are you referring to?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Which one's are you referring to?

Bela would be one of them.

Employment equity and bee also largely, even though I disagree with them.

 

[lexity]

Last word tonight for you Lex - I was in a very difficult relationship, chalk and cheese type stuff, but much positive as well and a lot of caring.

We tried, and tried, nearly killed each other at times, but years later... it's great! 35 years now

Don't be so quick to separate as a solution.

Did anyone force you to keep trying?

 

[Brian_G]

Did anyone force you to keep trying?

Not so much about that this round, it's the willingness to try in this case

 

[lexity]

Not so much about that this round, it's the willingness to try in this case

To try what, specifically, in this case?

 

[lexity]

I think that means 'no, no force was used'.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

Bela would be one of them.

Employment equity and bee also largely, even though I disagree with them.

As per the definition of democratic / democracy or in a democratic fashion as you say, I wouldn't say the above list really meets that criteria of the definition.

 

[ToxicBunny]

As per the definition of democratic / democracy or in a democratic fashion as you say, I wouldn't say the above list really meets that criteria of the definition.

Of course they do, again you may not LIKE them, but they've largely passed muster via legal processes as being constitutional.