CapeXit 2

[Cray]

No problem agreeing with that summation in large part. Difference between us and you lot, we still believe something can be done about it.

I believe the tide is turning against the ANC in terms of attitude, but the scary thing is when people see MK or the EFF as the alternative.

What do you think can be done about it? Cape Independance?

 

[vigras rojara]

But But But Mob-Rule, punishment, and stuffs.

Can't buy slaves, can't hire non-citizens without the consent of the state with their threats of violence.

Can't ignore safety standards, not allowed to flog rancid food.

No freedom whatsoever, so clearly not democracy. Has to be peak communism.

 

[lexity]

You'll have to explain what you mean, by this, Brian_G.

What, on God's great, green earth, is 'a moral balance with a BoRs'?

Sometimes you're like one of these by-the-book scholars, I refuse to believe you really don't understand the concept of bad human judgement / manipulation / foresight affecting how good a BoR is or isn't, and especially if it covers all groups' needs.

Anyway, who's got the time..

You didn't answer the question.

How does "you need a moral balance with BoRs" relate to the fact an ambiguous Constitution turns any BoRs into not worth the paper its written on.

As I explained earlier, an ambiguous supreme law code leads to the practice of arbitrary adjudication, which invites corruption.

You keep implying that corruption is inevitable regardless of whether you - by paying attention - learn from history/your mistakes.

That has to be the most apathetic thing I've ever heard.

Or are you just projecting your own low-bar?

See link, again :

Post in thread 'Israel says it has launched attack on Iran, as explosions reported in Tehran'

Mar 8, 2026

The "religious" aspects of this war by Israel should not be underestimated.

As nuts as that sounds, when everything about the war doesn't make sense and those who started it cannot offer a sensible explanation ,then expect that there might actually be none!!!!

It's all rooted in something so insane that hardly anyone would consider it

Here's my theory....

I think it boils down to the adoption of the presumption of what you might call hyper (Biological) materialism. That's where an individual doesn't have the answer as to the origins of mankind as a species, and...

• lexity

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(you liked the post but apparently didn't read it.)

Remember the heating-up-milk analogue I gave you... shall I remind you? Here it is again....

Post in thread 'CapeXit? Separatists bid to split South Africa'

Nov 8, 2025

@Brian_G

I don't know if you drink tea with hot milk. But if the formula for heating up the milk safely is "so much heat and time, and no more", then just because you put the milk jug on the stove and turn it on doesn't mean that you can walk away and not come back for the next 8 hours.

You heated up the milk but you only applied the formula to a limited extent, or incorrectly.

When you get back from work and your house is burnt down, you turn to your neighbors and say I knew it.... where does heating milk up on the stove safely exist practically? There is no example of it working...

• lexity

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It's as though you think there is nothing that anyone, who burns the milk, can do to prevent from burning it again... and again ... and again.... ad infinitum.

Really? Are you sure you live in the real world? I only see a tiny sliver of intractables, who are btw vastly outnumbered. And what gives them their mass influence is the habit on the part of otherwise decent people to underestimate their own abilities.

Chin up.... habits can be broken and better ones formed.

 

[Brian_G]

I believe the tide is turning against the ANC in terms of attitude, but the scary thing is when people see MK or the EFF as the alternative.

What do you think can be done about it? Cape Independance?

It's the only option left (currently).

Although not achievable yet, still need to push in that direction if we can't emigrate.

 

[lexity]

Businesses are still free to make a choice in hiring, they are however incentivized to hire from a broad range on the demographics of this country.

No company is ever told "You cannot hire this white person for this role".

And while I might disagree with it, company's still have a choise in who they hire. No one is forcing companies to hire any one particular candidate.

Wow. Nobody would be more pleased if what you are saying is true.

Are you saying BEE is merely guidance? That there is no legal penalty involved in ignoring it?

If/when I cross the threshold of productivity, I can become even more productive without an uninvited 3rd-party imposing terms and conditions backed by legalized violence?

 

[Brian_G]

Chin up.... habits can be broken and better ones formed.

Easiest part ^^ to sum up with - look Lex, you believe in the ability to turn the criminally etc. minded into saints, and I'll stick with reality.

Where we do agree - ALL are capable of improvement. Where we don't - ALL ARE NOT YET READY TO. Many won't within their lifetimes, for sure, an absolute, always provable fact.

What we both want - to make the improvements possible where we can, and hope for good influence all round.


And what I want - you to stop lording it over everyone with your must-be-right newfound attitude, doesn't suit you, and no, you may have learnt puhlenty but you ain't no professor now, ne.

Bye :- )

 

[ToxicBunny]

Wow. Nobody would be more pleased if what you are saying is true.

Are you saying BEE is merely guidance? That there is no legal penalty involved in ignoring it?

If/when I cross the threshold of productivity, I can become even more productive without an uninvited 3rd-party imposing terms and conditions backed by legalized violence?

Show me a single place on the face of this planet that has a functioning society where you don't have this "uninvited 3rd-party imposing terms and conditions backed by legalised violence" on your company/entity/whatever.

 

[Brian_G]

Show me a single place on the face of this planet that has a functioning society where you don't have this "uninvited 3rd-party imposing terms and conditions backed by legalised violence" on your company/entity/whatever.

True, but that doesn't mean we don't try to find ways to get past that, eventually.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

That sounds like there's a "but" involved..

Hmmm.... I guess the "but" would be the "trolls' or "disingenuous" replies in this thread, it does unfortunetely get tiring after some time...

 

[ToxicBunny]

True, but that doesn't mean we don't try to find ways to get past that, eventually.

How do you get passed that?
How do you have a functioning society without it?

 

[Brian_G]

Hmmm.... I guess the "but" would be the "trolls' or "disingenuous" replies in this thread, it does unfortunetely get tiring after some time...

But, but... trolls are the whole fun reason for forums :-/

 

[lexity]

Where we do agree - ALL are capable of improvement. Where we don't - ALL ARE NOT YET READY TO. Many won't within their lifetimes, for sure, an absolute, always provable fact.

Whatever formula you apply, you get the exact results that come with that formula.

Who, in South Africa is "not ready" to stop walking away from the stove for 8 hours at a time?

You're mystifying cause and effect.

It's not that set-in-stone. Human beings respond to incentives, whether pure or perverse.

If you take away the perverse incentive, you are thereby changing the formula.

Don't want to change the formula? .... okay, you will get the same unsatisfactory results.

 

[lexity]

Show me a single place on the face of this planet that has a functioning society where you don't have this "uninvited 3rd-party imposing terms and conditions backed by legalised violence" on your company/entity/whatever.

Why?

 

[Brian_G]

How do you get passed that?
How do you have a functioning society without it?

We work on checks and balances that slowly, very sloooowly, help improve the balance of power and make it more acceptable to as many citizens as possible.

Swiss Canton system comes to mind. Great start at the least

 

[ToxicBunny]

We work on checks and balances that slowly, very sloooowly, help improve the balance of power and make it more acceptable to as many citizens as possible.

Swiss Canton system comes to mind. Great start at the least

So your checks and balances would be an uninvited 3rd party imposing terms and conditions based on legalized violence.

 

[porchrat]

Show me a single place on the face of this planet that has a functioning society where you don't have this "uninvited 3rd-party imposing terms and conditions backed by legalised violence" on your company/entity/whatever.

I watched a video a while back about an American town that got overrun by libertarians to the point where they could vote their own in with local elections. They dropped local rates and taxes to as low as they legally could go. Municipal services collapsed.

Everyone just did what they wanted. They started dumping their garbage wherever. Some people thought the local bears were cute and started actively feeding them. Eventually the place was overrun by bears because there was no money for proper waste disposal or animal control and nobody central to manage it in any coherent manner.

Total chaos. Total failure.

I spared a thought for our MyBB separatists while watching.

 

[Cray]

Show me a single place on the face of this planet that has a functioning society where you don't have this "uninvited 3rd-party imposing terms and conditions backed by legalised violence" on your company/entity/whatever.

Lexie believes that the markets and society will automatically correct unsociable behaviour from corporates if the engage in sh*tty behaviour like making unsafe products or polluting the environment.

 

[Brian_G]

So your checks and balances would be an uninvited 3rd party imposing terms and conditions based on legalized violence.

Bottom line is the motivation involved. Do you really want us to believe that you support the motivating factors of the ANC / RET?

Oh dear..

Anyway, seeya, must dash

 

[ToxicBunny]

Bottom line is the motivation involved. Do you really want us to believe that you support the motivating factors of the ANC / RET?

Oh dear..

Anyway, seeya, must dash

No, I'm not referencing anythign specific to this country, I'm talking globally here Brian.

You talk of checks and balances, so who monitors/implements these checks and balances?

 

[Splinter]

Why?

Why do you have your @Vorastra clone, lexie?