CapeXit 2

Poll is for all in South Africa -

  • Do you believe W/Cape secession from the Republic is feasible ?

    Votes: 28 34.1%

  • Would you support a bid for W/Cape to secede from the Republic ?

    Votes: 33 40.2%

  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating to W/Cape ?

    Votes: 23 28.0%

  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating out of W/Cape ?

    Votes: 3 3.7%

  • Would you support other provinces bids for secession ?

    Votes: 20 24.4%

  • I disagree to all questions

    Votes: 35 42.7%

  • Would you support a "Swiss Canton" style of governance for the Republic ?

    Votes: 24 29.3%
  • Total voters
    82
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Brian_G said:
Follow the thread for any more, much of this was discussed regularly. I'm just posting any news now when I see it, like you.
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OK final question, so the Premier of the Western Cape Alan Winde has basically told CIAG to f-off he's not allowing a referendum to take place, but they can still go ahead with or without him correct, according this extract below.

Since Premier Winde has thus far refused to call such a referendum, we are currently making preparations to hold our own referendum in the Western Cape following the successful example of Veneto in Italy. Few, if any, referendums are legally binding so who calls it is less relevant than its credibility. As both the Supreme Courts of both Canada and the United Kingdom have stated, the power of referendums in a democracy is not the legally binding nature of the referendum, but the establishment of the democratic will of the people which cannot easily be ignored.

PS: Apologies I forgot about the @lexity issue, and just making conversation on here, as this is still interesting to me at least. :)
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
OK final question, so the Premier of the Western Cape Alan Winde has basically told CIAG to f-off he's not allowing a referendum to take place, but they can still go ahead with or without him correct, according this extract below.
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We (supporters here) believe so. Certainly nobody can stop anyone asking people their opinion.

NoStepOnSnek88 said:
and just making conversation on here, as this is still interesting to me at least. :)
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I respect that, even encourage it, but I can't play any role currently. Not even sure how supportive I'm going to remain... yet.
 


South Africa is being pulled apart by race laws, broken governance, and a democracy that can’t change course.
Phil Craig lays out the legal case, the political strategy, and why the Western Cape could become its own country.
 
I've reached the point where I can no longer see WC-ians seriously embracing the secession attempt, the DA's "we're doing enough" game has won.

Time to get used to a commie life
Don't tag me here pleez.
 
@lexity , do you agree with my above conclusion in part at least?
May I suggest, take about 11 days to think about it before answering, to make sure it's a well thought out reply :whistling:


@NoStepOnSnek88 , no new news articles at all??
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
Well, the whole CI subject etc... is still intriguing.

I'm sure @lexity @Grant and yourself etc... will still visit and engage on this thread as new updates and news get released regarding CI :) :) :)
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Sure. Happy to re-engage.

May I suggest this time, that instead of torpedoing a perfectly healthy back-n-forth discussion, even tho' there may be views unusual or unsettling to your own, can we all at least agree that the topic of Cape secession is not exempt from 2 staples of Western civilization:

1) Arguing from first principles,

and

2) The pursuit of wisdom, on the topic of individual liberty, as it relates to secession.

Not to put too fine a point on it.... if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen until you can.

kitchen = battle of ideas
heat = scrutiny of your ideas
staying out = informing yourself until you consider your arguments better able to withstand scrutiny.

If you don't see that this topic comes down to individual liberty, that does not by itself mean it doesn't. It means the concept may simply be unusual/new to you. (If you treat something unusual as though it's therefore necessarily invalid and hence shouldn't be heard/tolerated, that is just the kind of narrow-minded knee-jerk that we should all shun if not actively call out).

If you feel an itch to report someone because you don't understand how their argument is relevant, ask for clarity. If there is no record of you asking for clarity, you need to get out of the kitchen for a while.
 
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