CapeXit 2

[Grant]

Not that anyone trusting a State education, to prepare them for critical thinking,

/raises hand

you often refer to a "state education" in a disparaging manner.
care to elaborate, or give a little reasoning behind your attitude / opinion regards "state education" ?

 

[lexity]

/raises hand

you often refer to a "state education" in a disparaging manner.
care to elaborate, or give a little reasoning behind your attitude / opinion regards "state education" ?

In a one-tier society, every adult individual is responsible for choosing who they associate with in all kinds of interaction with one's fellow man.

That requires proper preparation prior to adulthood. Without this essential check - when it comes to association - individuals will be rendered vulnerable to the least desirable consequences that come from a relatively tiny segment of the population being free to act.

So, that is key.... education is primarily a parental responsibility.

In our, two-tier society, parents have been groomed over time(by that tiny contingent) to relinquish this responsibility, to the State.... i.e. to other individuals who don't have to be (as)right, in their conclusions. Because that is the ultimate objective of the State... to shelter individuals from having to pay attention, to look before you leap as a matter of moral judgement, and take responsibility for their decisions in who they choose to associate in numerous, everyday interactions.

Certain individuals need to be deprived of association until they agree to play by the rules which fall into the non-negotiable category.

So, State education is not absolutely useless. It doesn't offer nothing. But it lacks - even discourages - the practice of withholding your association when it is undeserved and even deserves to be withheld... that skill that would exist in a one-tier society, and would be practiced constantly.

You could call it an essential social skill, that we have been deprived of over time. Which renders us vulnerable to characters that are then not prevented from reaching the most influential echelons of our society.

Netanyahu and Trump are a good example of how someone can be co-opted for evil purposes, where he lacks this discipline. The step of exercising good moral judgement of character, and depriving those who deserve to not abuse it, can lead to literally catastrophic consequences.

See the following post, from a couple of days ago, as the theory behind the aversion to the cultivation, and practice of, this skill.

My theory: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/thr...ions-reported-in-tehran.1333906/post-34297293

 

[Splinter]

Suggestion: Start another thread, on that topic.

You remind me of a fish out of water, just flopping around in futility.

 

[Grant]

So, State education is not absolutely useless. It doesn't offer nothing. But it lacks - even discourages - the practice of withholding your association when it is undeserved and even deserves to be withheld... that skill that would exist in a one-tier society, and would be practiced constantly.

i attended both state & private schools - be that as it may, i understand (i may be wrong) your reference to "state education" as a state mandated curriculum / syllabus - to be followed at both state / govt schools, as well as private.

at both (in my case) freedom of association was promoted - free to choose with whom we may or may not want to associate with.
i dont recall any encouragement to just assimilate and associate with all - for better or worse - just for the sake of it.

there was no subject that specifically focused on this type of "conversation", but instead "guidelines" / advice / opinions came out of a mixture of subjects - specifically history & religious education - and to some extent, geography.

maybe others had a different schooling experience

 

[Brian_G]

maybe others had a different schooling experience

Had a very liberal high school experience, I think possibly the first to admit schoolkids of colour - that was certainly pro freedoms of thought & choice.
And another very stock standard Jo'burg high school, well know for its rugby in the day - HIghlands North Boys high - very different, but can't call it closed minded or anything like the idea in mind here.

This was 13+ years before the political evolution

 

[Brian_G]

If anything, later schooling was always(?) more liberal.


BTW,

This was 13+ years before the political evolution

is based on

Follow-up: After the collapse of CODESA II, negotiations were replaced by the Multi-Party Negotiating Forum (MPNF), which began on April 1, 1993.

 

[lexity]

i attended both state & private schools - be that as it may, i understand (i may be wrong) your reference to "state education" as a state mandated curriculum / syllabus - to be followed at both state / govt schools, as well as private.

at both (in my case) freedom of association was promoted - free to choose with whom we may or may not want to associate with.
i dont recall any encouragement to just assimilate and associate with all - for better or worse - just for the sake of it.

there was no subject that specifically focused on this type of "conversation", but instead "guidelines" / advice / opinions came out of a mixture of subjects - specifically history & religious education - and to some extent, geography.

maybe others had a different schooling experience

Did the creators/compilers of the educational curriculum have permission to operate their school?

 

[lexity]

Had a very liberal high school experience, I think possibly the first to admit schoolkids of colour - that was certainly pro freedoms of thought & choice.
And another very stock standard Jo'burg high school, well know for its rugby in the day - HIghlands North Boys high - very different, but can't call it closed minded or anything like the idea in mind here.

This was 13+ years before the political evolution

I recall 1 very significant - although I couldn't quite put my finger on why, at the time - incident that stood out in my first year of high school (first part of the 80s).

That was when I learned that the school (a State school) was going to be introducing its first psychologist.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Did the creators/compilers of the educational curriculum have permission to operate their school?

Their school?

Ummm yes, it was called the Department of Education, they operated all the government schools.
Private Schools were different but either followed that curriculum or opted for something like IEB or an international curriculum.

 

[vigras rojara]

I recall 1 very significant - although I couldn't quite put my finger on why, at the time - incident that stood out in my first year of high school (first part of the 80s).

That was when I learned that the school (a State school) was going to be introducing its first psychologist.

That poor psychologist must have been a very busy guy/gal.

 

[lexity]

That poor psychologist must have been a very busy guy/gal.

I'll give you an 8.5 for that one.

 

[lexity]

Their school?

Ummm yes, it was called the Department of Education, they operated all the government schools.
Private Schools were different but either followed that curriculum or opted for something like IEB or an international curriculum.

So your public schools required permission from the State to operate.

As opposed to being completely at the mercy of the market.

Ok.

What about the alleged 'private' school? Did it need a government license to operate? Or was it truly private, in the sense that it relied solely on its reputation to win and keep its customers?

 

[Brian_G]

I recall 1 very significant - although I couldn't quite put my finger on why, at the time - incident that stood out in my first year of high school (first part of the 80s).

That was when I learned that the school (a State school) was going to be introducing its first psychologist.

Had similar earlier still - arrived around 1974 I think (another private school), but was called a social worker if I recall right.

But what I remember of her is that she was quite young and just sweet and supportive, certainly not indoctrinating, although I spent very little time in her office.

Funny, I still remember her name - Melanie Politinsky. Wonder if she's still living :-o

 

[ToxicBunny]

So your public schools required permission from the State to operate.

As opposed to being completely at the mercy of the market.

Ok.

What about the alleged 'private' school? Did it need a government license to operate? Or was it truly private, in the sense that it relied solely on its reputation to win and keep its customers?

No, they were operated by the State.

And yes they did.

I know where you're heading with this in your head, and its absolutely retarded that an individual school had complete control of its curriculum and standards. That would have led to a completely dysfunctional and non certifiable education system nationally.

 

[Brian_G]

So your public schools required permission from the State to operate.

As opposed to being completely at the mercy of the market.

Have you seem what the "completely at the mercy of the market" leads too? Corporates my friend, nasty, oversized, greedy corporates......

 

[lexity]

No, they were operated by the State.

And yes they did.

I know where you're heading with this in your head, and its absolutely retarded that an individual school had complete control of its curriculum and standards. That would have led to a completely dysfunctional and non certifiable education system nationally.

You are illustrating the exact point I've been trying to make. And doing a wonderful job, so far. Hit the nail flush on the head.

Complete control of its curriculum and standards. <----- now, that..... is what a private school looks like.

Don't tell me you went to a private school if your school needed permission from their fellow citizens to devise a curriculum and set its own standards.

 

[Brian_G]

You are illustrating the exact point I've been trying to make. And doing a wonderful job, so far. Hit the nail flush on the head.

Complete control of its curriculum and standards. <----- now, that..... is what a private school looks like.

Don't tell me you went to private school if your school needed permission from their fellow citizens to devise a curriculum and set its own standards.

Do you believe in standards at all?

You put a lot of trust in the individual. How many truly trustworthy individuals do you know?

 

[Splinter]

That poor psychologist must have been a very busy guy/gal.

Or maybe not - clearly they were not very effective.....

 

[Brian_G]

Or maybe not - clearly they were not very effective.....

It takes a loong time

 

[Splinter]

It takes a loong time

There is not enough time in the universe to help with lexies issues...