CapeXit 2

Poll is for all in South Africa -

  • Do you believe W/Cape secession from the Republic is feasible ?

    Votes: 28 34.1%

  • Would you support a bid for W/Cape to secede from the Republic ?

    Votes: 33 40.2%

  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating to W/Cape ?

    Votes: 23 28.0%

  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating out of W/Cape ?

    Votes: 3 3.7%

  • Would you support other provinces bids for secession ?

    Votes: 20 24.4%

  • I disagree to all questions

    Votes: 35 42.7%

  • Would you support a "Swiss Canton" style of governance for the Republic ?

    Votes: 24 29.3%
  • Total voters
    82
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Brian_G said:
Many would disagree, but perhaps you like the Socialist-injected modern versions of democracy.

Each to their own I suppose, nothing to debate then,
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Yup, those "socialist injected modern versions of democracy" exist because no-one supports them and votes for them. They just arrived out of nowhere. 😂
 
Grant said:
They don't, they never have.
The philosophy is hideously defective from the outset.
Watch the video again, it is like a mirror of what has been preached here.
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Ok, haven't watched it but will now.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Be honest you have fsck all idea about the bill of rights.
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if I recall correctly he thought there were 144 racist laws in the Constitution. I'm not entirely sure he's got a full understanding of how the government is structured, what Acts are and where the Constitution fits into all of this.
 
porchrat said:
if I recall correctly he thought there were 144 racist laws in the Constitution. I'm not entirely sure he's got a full understanding of how the government is structured, what Acts are and where the Constitution fits into all of this.
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Wouldn't surprise me. He struggles with the complexity of legal systems in general it seems.
 
Brian_G said:
There is the possibility that a well led and ordered version of one of these villages could work though, and that's less likely to attract the lazy or undisciplined type.

For a more advanced stage of future human civilisation perhaps.
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Sort of, kinda like Orania in a sense, less reliant on government, municipal services etc. more of a community / DIY driven effort?
 
Grant said:
They don't, they never have.
The philosophy is hideously defective from the outset.
Watch the video again, it is like a mirror of what has been preached here.
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I HAVEN'T watched the video @Grant ,just a question, would it or is it fair to make a definitive conclusion based on one example?
 
porchrat said:
if I recall correctly he thought there were 144 racist laws in the Constitution. I'm not entirely sure he's got a full understanding of how the government is structured, what Acts are and where the Constitution fits into all of this.
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So how would you phrase / frame / word / define these laws?
BELA Act Basic Education
NHI Bill
Firearms Control Act
Expropriation Bill EWC
Employment Equity & BBE

To name a few...
 
Grant said:
Not at all - totally different mindset.
The people in orania are focused on community living and upliftment.
Libertarians - well, it's all about self.
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Not really man. This specific kind of community though for sure, but in large part they weren't so much Liberts. as hippy types using the Libert. label.
It's why I made the points earlier about the need for more development of the individual before such a self-responsible community can begin to work. Most serious Libert. group efforts are organised and at least want the individuals to be like-minded, not all just doing what they want.

As for the video - Simon Whistler it seems has an inflated ego and bias against, certainly a bore to sit through for half an hour with stretched thin arguments and tempered venom.
Gun ownership and cannabis growing are hardly points to bring up, all this was about is a lack of discipline - too many causing the bears to be encouraged due to lack of community structure and too few interested in developing their own creative earning potential.

I'm not a Libert., especially when it comes to concepts of doing away with community structure and therefore a needed tax basis. But it has some good potential in the right climate, for those looking for that direction.


I'm sure many will disagree with the concept. It's certainly for the more adventurous type, and on the negative side (like with anything) also anyone who has a strong dislike for authority...
I won't debate it much, not looking to defend it and each to their own IMO.
 
Grant said:
Not at all - totally different mindset.
The people in orania are focused on community living and upliftment.
Libertarians - well, it's all about self.
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Sure, but isn't it a SIGNIFICANT part of Libertarianism to also have as less government interference, overview, control etc in their community, as said similar to Orania, which doesn't rely on government institutions or entities to help, they do it themselves within the law.
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
Of course they're directly linked / tied to the South African Constitution.
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No. They were created under the framework of the Constitution. They're not part of the Constitution.

The difference is very VERY significant. All South Africans should understand that. Frankly it should be taught in school. That you apparently don't appreciate that difference either is a serious problem. A failure in our education system.

You're a firearms law conscious guy. You of all people should readily understand the distinction and the impact the lack of clarity regarding firearms in our Constitution has on the laws you're so concerned about.
 
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